Happy and Sad News

[jmsmith12345]

This news is bittersweet, but in speaking with my dear friends OAK and MCat this morning, they decided to move on and live their lives outside in the real world. OAK asked me to express his love to everyone who has befriended he and M. They just felt that since they are moving forward with the next phase of their lives that it was just time to say goodbye. I will miss them both. Good luck in your lives as you move forward together.

[JonJon62]

That is indeed sad news. I have come to respect and like them both very much!!
I do wish them the very best, but realize that living a real life and working on their relationship is more important to them at this stage. If you get a chance to convey my well wishes, I hope you can.

Bonne Voyage to OAK and MCAT ... may your days be filled with laughter, sunshine, and enough challenge to keep things interesting!!

[MarriedQt]

Are you serious??? Ok if this is true......Goodbye OAK and Mcat....its been fun chatting with both of you and having fun together in the threads. Good luck with your new life together. You will both be missed!! Remember there will always be someone here to greet you when you come to visit!! Take care.

[Kissie]

Good luck Mcat & OAK...may you both enjoy life to the fullest!!!!

[SydneyCarton]

I am newly arrived here and never got to know them. But I am so envious of them and what they're doing that I wish them well. My only hope is that they check back eventually and let us know how they're doing so as to give some of us hope.

Good luck, folks, and I'm truly happy for you.

[Sneaky]

Really???

Well on one hand I'm very sad because I will miss them. On the other, I am SO happy they found each other and are riding off into the sunset together on the back of that horse into the Texas sun.

Good luck OAK & M Cat. Thank you for all your contributions, support,a and laughs. Come back & say hi when you can, and have LOTS & LOTS of monkey love!!!
:sng

[SunnyD]

Well I didn't see this one coming! We will miss you both OAK and MCat! Best of luck to both of you!!!

[Charmed]

I'm speechless....It seems all of the people that I respect are leaving :(

Its amazing to watch how your love has grown, I am a bit envious that you are actually getting to be together but, I'm also tickled pink for both of you..
Congrats!

[crow_worc]

good luck OAK and MCat

[Tiglet]

Okay.....so any bets on when they break down and come back to visit?

So for when you do......CONGRATULATIONS! :smdance: I know you will be very happy in your life together.....of course you'll be missed but living life is much more important than that!

[Brink]

OAK & Mcat: as one door closes another door opens; time for the next chapter to begin!

A tough decision that must bring a mixture of emotions, I admire you all the more for making it.

I’m sure this place will always remain special to you. You met here, made many friendships here, and have contributed so much. It will be hard for many to let you go!

Enjoy making more memories....Have a wonderful life together.

[gdg]

Seeing as everyone believes jm is being serious, not that he can not be, but I am usually the first one duped.

I wish them both much joy and happiness. Mcat, after all gave me the coolest av website and OAK has always been nothing but kind. Thank you both for being who you are.

GOOD LUCK!

[fly]

Good riddance ya texans!!!!
(hey can I have one of them stuffed armidillo's you have laying around over there?):ok

[Tndream]

Well, I wish them both nothing but the best and happiness in their new lives together.
Congratz!

[KindheartedWoman]

That's wonderful news. Good luck to them. Real life is almost always more fulfilling.

[Barkiss]

Thank God they are finally gone!!! Freaking best news I've heard all day!


By the way, it was with much deliberation and thought that I realized that I could not spend an entire at lunch away from M&F, so I have returned. Thank you all who wished me to have a great lunch! It really meant a lot to me.

Oh...and if I'm not here when Oak and MC return, tell them I said 'hey", and good to have them back.

[Sneaky]

I never even liked those two sons of bitches now that I think about it.....:sc

[jmsmith12345]

I never even liked those two sons of bitches now that I think about it.....:sc

That explains a lot...I had my suspicions about M being a tranny.

[Sneaky]

That explains a lot...I had my suspicions about M being a tranny.
Yeah, and who knows what Jerry REALLY did with all them horses around.

[Han Solo]

I never even liked those two sons of bitches now that I think about it.....:sc
Yeah...he just couldn't live up to my standards of REAL partner to satisfy my Homo-erotica needs and her?? .........what with her running around naggin EVERYONE about puttin their birthdays and age up?? SERIOUSLY?? WTF!!!

[dashslow]

It is encouraging that people care and take notice. I guess I should not be amazed that people care enough to say goodbye, even if all you know about a person is an idea. I wish your friends the best of luck.

[angelis]

I wish you both well, I'm a soppy romantic so I love a happy ending!!
Good luck to you MCat and OAK!! :ok

[MrHyde]

Wow!...I will really miss you two.

Pops, you have really been someone I've looked up to man. M, you could have done much better...but I can't blame you :D.....Jelly has my IM, don't be a stranger, hopefully one day we'll be able to join you!

[Sensual Woman]

May your love for each other grow stronger with each passing day. Best of luck in the future.

[MCat]

What the flippin hell.....!!! :yks

Oakey.....OnceAKing.....Jerry....whatever you are going by today....

I am not leaving this site and neither are you! :sp:
You are officially in timeout Mr...!:nu

And JM.....don't you know that you have to check with me before you believe what he tells you.....geez oh pete....you need a spanking too...:sp:


Thank you to those that missed us while we were gone.....it feels so good to be back. Now I can bake the going away cake myself....:lf

[MCat]

I never even liked those two sons of bitches now that I think about it.....:sc

LOL.....

Don't you know you shouldn't trust someone who advertises
"BullShitter Deluxe" under his name.....

[Me]

What the flippin hell.....!!! :yks

Oakey.....OnceAKing.....Jerry....whatever you are going by today....

I am not leaving this site and neither are you! :sp:
You are officially in timeout Mr...!:nu

And JM.....don't you know that you have to check with me before you believe what he tells you.....geez oh pete....you need a spanking too...:sp:


Thank you to those that missed us while we were gone.....it feels so good to be back. Now I can bake the going away cake myself....:lf


This is the best news I've heard all day ... keep spanking him when he gets out of line! Or use that cow poker :D That'll fix him

[MrHyde]

That's what we get for listening to JM....shit.

[UltimateNaneki]

I thought that was a rumor...MCat is a great lady. If she leaves, she would do it with class & not with jm...:lmao

[stellabelle]

I blame all of this on the fisting thread...freaks!

[pointofnoreturn]

Ok that is it..I was frickin upset here....You can fall in love, you can make friends, but to just leave????Now that hurts. Hope youguys are happy, and still hanin around. Love you....

[OnceAKing]

What the flippin hell.....!!! :yks

Oakey.....OnceAKing.....Jerry....whatever you are going by today....

I am not leaving this site and neither are you! :sp:
You are officially in timeout Mr...!:nu

And JM.....don't you know that you have to check with me before you believe what he tells you.....geez oh pete....you need a spanking too...:sp:


Thank you to those that missed us while we were gone.....it feels so good to be back. Now I can bake the going away cake myself....:lf


Okay then so tell me again when it is that I get to be the daddy?

[MCat]

Ok that is it..I was frickin upset here....You can fall in love, you can make friends, but to just leave????Now that hurts. Hope youguys are happy, and still hanin around. Love you....

No worries Point.....these guys are foolin around....if we take time off it will be just that...time off. I see us always checkin in now and then.

[MCat]

Okay then so tell me again when it is that I get to be the daddy?

You can be the daddy right now my love.....come get me.....

[Iwantutowantme]

Never really knew OAK and only knew MCAT a bit. None of this makes sense to me, but then I dont hear much gossip around here. good luck in whatever you are doing and with whom you are doing it with...... as long as you enjoy your life..... regards... kripto

[Cotties]

happy and sad news indeed

[UltimateNaneki]

happy and sad news indeed

:lmao

Did you bring a blanket for under the bridge?:sc

[OnceAKing]

Never really knew OAK and only knew MCAT a bit. None of this makes sense to me, but then I dont hear much gossip around here. good luck in whatever you are doing and with whom you are doing it with...... as long as you enjoy your life..... regards... kripto

Ummmmm, yep I'm kidnapping her and running away to texas to make a real cowpokeress out of her. I can understand you not being up to date...M's good at keeping secrets. Thanks for the wishes.

And, I spose from the looks of things you're not gonna have to miss me after all.

[OnceAKing]

There ya go Ulti...he needs you under the bridge

[Iwantutowantme]

Ummmmm, yep I'm kidnapping her and running away to texas to make a real cowpokeress out of her. I can quite understand you not being up to date...M's good at keeping secrets. Thanks for the wishes.

And, I spose from the looks of things you're not gonna have to miss me after all.

I dont think we crossed paths, OAK, but obviously your leaving has an effect on alot of people here. That speaks for itself. Memories can last a life time.

[OnceAKing]

I dont think we crossed paths, OAK, but obviously your leaving has an effect on alot of people here. That speaks for itself. Memories can last a life time.

Thank You, and no you're correct we've never met, as they say...but really it's MCat who would be missed...she's a classy lady, I'm just an old worn out cowboy. And yes we both have many memories and friends here however not all would be so sad for me to be gone...and because of that I'll be sure I'm around to give em a reason.

[fourisit]

There are a few people on this site that when they start a thread especially like this one I alway wait to post until I see if the other shoe drops..My first thought was that no way the those two would leave and let JM tell us all..and I saw Oak post a few min after reading this s ..lol good one though JM...very believable.

[fever]

What the flippin hell.....!!! :yks

Oakey.....OnceAKing.....Jerry....whatever you are going by today....

I am not leaving this site and neither are you! :sp:
You are officially in timeout Mr...!:nu

And JM.....don't you know that you have to check with me before you believe what he tells you.....geez oh pete....you need a spanking too...:sp:


Thank you to those that missed us while we were gone.....it feels so good to be back. Now I can bake the going away cake myself....:lf


Hmmm...OAK...didn't you tell me you could handle her. Looks like she's the one doin' the handlin'. As it should be....

[Brink]

Isn't playing with member's emotions and friendships just trolling?

Even if you're JM....

[OnceAKing]

This is the best news I've heard all day ... keep spanking him when he gets out of line! Or use that cow poker :D That'll fix him

Hey you...I might not get to be the daddy but I do remain in charge of my cowpoker...I'm not giving that up! lol

[OnceAKing]

Hmmm...OAK...didn't you tell me you could handle her. Looks like she's the one doin' the handlin'. As it should be....

LOL I really love it when she gets a little rough with me...mmmm.... and then there's the talkin dirty part, oh I'd better shushhh.

I think she sorta likes the way I handle her though.

[OnceAKing]

Isn't playing with member's emotions and friendships just trolling?

Even if you're JM....

Mr Brink, JM wasn't playing with yours or anyone elses emotions, as a friend, he did what I asked him to...if you have a problem with it talk to me, not him....please.

[Brink]

Mr Brink, JM wasn't playing with yours or anyone elses emotions, as a friend, he did what I asked him to...if you have a problem with it talk to me, not him....please.

OAK - if this is basically a misunderstanding between you all, then there is certainly no problem here. I'm pleased you're staying. You're an important cog in the wheel.

Me leaping to conculsions about JM, however, - it is hard not to do that. I could analyse the reasons why...but!! Let's just say he's an important cog in the wheel as well.

Perhaps some explanation a bit earlier on might have helped. I did read to see if I could fathom what the problem was. I still don't really understand, but I don't want to pry - he said he'd talked to you both, which is why I originally chose to believe him.

[jmsmith12345]

I thought that was a rumor...MCat is a great lady. If she leaves, she would do it with class & not with jm...:lmao

hey, I have class, from 8:00-10:00 every thursday evening

[OnceAKing]

OAK - if this is basically a misunderstanding between you all, then there is certainly no problem here. I'm pleased you're staying. You're an important cog in the wheel.

Me leaping to conculsions about JM, however, - it is hard not to do that. I could analyse the reasons why...but!! Let's just say he's an important cog in the wheel as well.

Perhaps some explanation a bit earlier on might have helped. I did read to see if I could fathom what the problem was. I still don't really understand, but I don't want to pry - he said he'd talked to you both, which is why I originally chose to believe him.

JM is a friend of mine and a dear one I might add...In my opinion there's no reason to need to jump to conclusions with or about him. While you may not agree with his words or style there isn't much about him that would need to be guessed at. He is as open with his feelings and opinion as anyone I've ever met in my 42 years of supervising and dealing with people. And when it comes to serious thoughts and posts I agree way more often than not with his viewpoint and/or accessment. Enough said.

As I have told him privately, if the opportunity ever arises, he would be welcomed into my home for a visit any time, day or night.

[jmsmith12345]

JM is a friend of mine and a dear one I might add...In my opinion there's no reason to need to jump to conclusions with or about him. While you may not agree with his words or style there isn't much about him that would need to be guessed at. He is as open with his feelings and opinion as anyone I've ever met in my 42 years of supervising and dealing with people. And when it comes to serious thoughts and posts I agree way more often than not with his viewpoint and/or accessment. Enough said.

As I have told him privately, if the opportunity ever arises, he would be welcomed into my home for a visit any time, day or night.

Thank you for the extremely kind words OAK.

To all of those out there who hate, loathe, and/or despise me for whatever reason, I challenge any one of you to take the time to actually get to know me. This may be quite scary to some, because you might actually have to eat a little humble pie when you find out you are dead wrong about your negative assumptions. But, since this will fall on deaf ears to those who have already decided I am akin to the anti-christ, fuck it. I know who my true friends are, and I am damn proud to have them.

Oh, this thread was meant as a joke to have a little fun...just in case you were still confused.

[SunnyD]

JM to the "thin skinned thread" immediately :wy!!! You know some of us understand you and are being treated by specialist for it too :lmao!

Thank you for the extremely kind words OAK.

To all of those out there who hate, loathe, and/or despise me for whatever reason, I challenge any one of you to take the time to actually get to know me. This may be quite scary to some, because you might actually have to eat a little humble pie when you find out you are dead wrong about your negative assumptions. But, since this will fall on deaf ears to those who have already decided I am akin to the anti-christ, fuck it. I know who my true friends are, and I am damn proud to have them.

Oh, this thread was meant as a joke to have a little fun...just in case you were still confused.

[jmsmith12345]

JM to the "thin skinned thread" immediately :wy!!! You know some of us understand you and are being treated by specialist for it too :lmao!

Don't make me pull the car over again. :nu LOL

[SunnyD]

Don't make me pull the car over again. :nu LOL

I told you that will only make me be naughty more often:yks.

[jmsmith12345]

I told you that will only make me be naughty more often:yks.

I think I just ran out of gas. :D

[scoobertina]

Thank you for the extremely kind words OAK.

To all of those out there who hate, loathe, and/or despise me for whatever reason, I challenge any one of you to take the time to actually get to know me. This may be quite scary to some, because you might actually have to eat a little humble pie when you find out you are dead wrong about your negative assumptions. But, since this will fall on deaf ears to those who have already decided I am akin to the anti-christ, fuck it. I know who my true friends are, and I am damn proud to have them.

Oh, this thread was meant as a joke to have a little fun...just in case you were still confused.


Ummm... maybe I need to start at the beginning and read all the way through because I have no clue what this "joke" thread is about... can I have the shortened version?

[MCat]

JM is a friend of mine and a dear one I might add...In my opinion there's no reason to need to jump to conclusions with or about him. While you may not agree with his words or style there isn't much about him that would need to be guessed at. He is as open with his feelings and opinion as anyone I've ever met in my 42 years of supervising and dealing with people. And when it comes to serious thoughts and posts I agree way more often than not with his viewpoint and/or accessment. Enough said.

As I have told him privately, if the opportunity ever arises, he would be welcomed into my home for a visit any time, day or night.

Daddy....did you remember that I am going to be sharing your home soon?
If JM comes to visit, can I please, please stay up late? I promise I'll be good....:ok

Thank you for the extremely kind words OAK.

To all of those out there who hate, loathe, and/or despise me for whatever reason, I challenge any one of you to take the time to actually get to know me. This may be quite scary to some, because you might actually have to eat a little humble pie when you find out you are dead wrong about your negative assumptions. But, since this will fall on deaf ears to those who have already decided I am akin to the anti-christ, fuck it. I know who my true friends are, and I am damn proud to have them.

Oh, this thread was meant as a joke to have a little fun...just in case you were still confused.

I admit that JM rubbed me the wrong way at first....but after I smoothed my feathers and took a deep breath he turned out to
be a pretty good guy.

My cowboy thinks a lot of him....and thats good enough for me.

So JM....if you ever make it to Texas...I'll have a piece of humble apple pie ready for ya.:wy

And yes...this thread was meant for poking a little fun....people should ask questions of those involved before jumping to conclusions.

[Cotties]

akin to the anti christ...lol...that was as funny as someone implying you were a troll the other day...lol

sorry...can I still have some fun or must I roam this forum on a different level

[MCat]

akin to the anti christ...lol...that was as funny as someone implying you were a troll the other day...lol

sorry...can I still have some fun or must I roam this forum on a different level

Come on in Cotties......everyone needs a little fun now and then....

[Cotties]

huh...you being nice to me and not questioning my credentials:scCome on in Cotties......everyone needs a little fun now and then........as I look out the window and see a pig flying by

[MCat]

huh...you being nice to me and not questioning my credentials:sc....as I look out the window and see a pig flying by



Hmmm....guess my offer of a olive branch isn't good enough. Have it your way.

[Cotties]

ok:sry...I'm behaving again....yes Cat...I do miss youHmmm....guess my offer of a olive branch isn't good enough. Have it your way.

[MCat]

ok:sry...I'm behaving again....yes Cat...I do miss you


:sc Hmm.....

[Cotties]

I'd offer flowers:dt:sc Hmm........but someone might ask where you got them

[Brink]

OAK – I don’t doubt for a second that you’ve got a great friendship going on with JM. Knowing the two of you were good buddies gave me the faith that this was sincere at the beginning. But there comes a point when you have to start leaping to conclusions just so you don’t fall for the obvious gags again. I will trust these instincts more in the future. I prefer to know straight up when people are leaving so I can say what I want to say. People coming and going seems so bewildering as it is.

JM – hatred of people is a very pointless thing. I don’t have the gumption to even dislike you – what real reason would there be? I do have this habit of analysing people’s behaviour, both the positive and the negative, but I don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable. I would like to critique this joke, but I fear it might appear contentious and some momentry seriousness would ensue. I would like to learn more about you, but I will always struggle to get past the stunts if we can’t openly exchange our opinions.

[jmsmith12345]

OAK – I don’t doubt for a second that you’ve got a great friendship going on with JM. Knowing the two of you were good buddies gave me the faith that this was sincere at the beginning. But there comes a point when you have to start leaping to conclusions just so you don’t fall for the obvious gags again. I will trust these instincts more in the future. I prefer to know straight up when people are leaving so I can say what I want to say. People coming and going seems so bewildering as it is.

JM – hatred of people is a very pointless thing. I don’t have the gumption to even dislike you – what real reason would there be? I do have this habit of analysing people’s behaviour, both the positive and the negative, but I don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable. I would like to critique this joke, but I fear it might appear contentious and some momentry seriousness would ensue. I would like to learn more about you, but I will always struggle to get past the stunts if we can’t openly exchange our opinions.

Two questions Brink...

1. Have you ever tried to openly exchange an opinion with me?

2. Have you ever asked me in public or private about any post I have made?

If you wish to know more about me or anyone, ask. I am as open as they come, and if you look around, can be quite serious and thoughtful. Focusing on my warped sense of humor will just allow you to scratch the surface. There is an awful lot behind the laughs.

[Brink]

Two questions Brink...

1. Have you ever tried to openly exchange an opinion with me?

2. Have you ever asked me in public or private about any post I have made?

If you wish to know more about me or anyone, ask. I am as open as they come, and if you look around, can be quite serious and thoughtful. Focusing on my warped sense of humor will just allow you to scratch the surface. There is an awful lot behind the laughs.

JM - just the other day I gave you my straightforward opinion regarding your "thin-skinned" post. I pointed out where I disagreed with you, and why, and expected you to return with an open, thoughtful opinion - yes, I know you have them! You replied briefly with another concern, which I took the time to answer again. At that point, you decided to tell me that you weren't actually looking for any opinions and could I keep my "psycho-babble" to myself...It seemed like you had started a serious thread, wanted to raise your perspectives, but couldn't handle all the exchanges you got back. If that’s not true, than I apologise in advance, but it was a conclusion that was easy for me to reach. It felt like you’d wrote my attempts off and were using your humour to cover things over. You certainly didn't try to meet me halfway. Indeed, you seemed pretty touchy to me! Yes, there was a hint of irony in the air!

JM - I really wouldn't have taken the time to write out my full opinion, and insist that you read it, was I not expecting to "scratch beyond the surface" with you. And I wouldn't be replying to you now if I had made up my mind about you, either! I would give out my full opinion on this joke, but I'm biting my tongue (and, besides which, I think I’ve forgotten it now!) Look - you sometimes do yourself a disservice by responding to opinions in the tone that you do. You want honesty here like everyone else, right? You’ve got to foster a tone at times that makes everyone feel easy about talking with you...or they just won't look beyond the obvious. That's not just "psycho-babble" directed at you - we all need to be more accessible, especially when we want to seem serious. You mix seriousness and jest too often and you get an uneasy outcome, which is what has happened here.

[jmsmith12345]

JM - just the other day I gave you my straightforward opinion regarding your "thin-skinned" post. I pointed out where I disagreed with you, and why, and expected you to return with an open, thoughtful opinion - yes, I know you have them! You replied briefly with another concern, which I took the time to answer again. At that point, you decided to tell me that you weren't actually looking for any opinions and could I keep my "psycho-babble" to myself...It seemed like you had started a serious thread, wanted to raise your perspectives, but couldn't handle all the exchanges you got back. If that’s not true, than I apologise in advance, but it was a conclusion that was easy for me to reach. It felt like you’d wrote my attempts off and were using your humour to cover things over. You certainly didn't try to meet me halfway. Indeed, you seemed pretty touchy to me! Yes, there was a hint of irony in the air!

JM - I really wouldn't have taken the time to write out my full opinion, and insist that you read it, was I not expecting to "scratch beyond the surface" with you. And I wouldn't be replying to you now if I had made up my mind about you, either! I would give out my full opinion on this joke, but I'm biting my tongue (and, besides which, I think I’ve forgotten it now!) Look - you sometimes do yourself a disservice by responding to opinions in the tone that you do. You want honesty here like everyone else, right? You’ve got to foster a tone at times that makes everyone feel easy about talking with you...or they just won't look beyond the obvious. That's not just "psycho-babble" directed at you - we all need to be more accessible, especially when we want to seem serious. You mix seriousness and jest too often and you get an uneasy outcome, which is what has happened here.

I appreciate your responses. You do express your thoughts in a clear manner, and leave little ambiguity. There are two things that just stick out when you write (to me at least). You make statements based on assumptions from internet postings, and you never come out and ask me a direct question.

Like many others here, I come to find a bit of an escape, have a good time, laugh, and just forget about the seriousness of everyday life. People have said that I "show my ass" way too often...and I do, I show my ass, my heart, my brain, and every other part of me as well. If that is too much for you, or anyone else to handle...so be it, but I am quite comfortable being the person I am, and will not change just to make others like or appreciate me.

You and I will probably never see things in the same light, and that is fine...that is life. I can assure you that we come from such different backgrounds that you will never understand life through my eyes, nor will I through yours, but instead of trying, just value that no matter the delivery, a new perspective...good or bad...can always be learned.

One final thought. Other than goofing with friends and people of similar humor tastes, I generally do not respond to other members directly in threads. My opinion is such, sometimes, that it best be worked out in private. So, if you wish to directly address me with a serious question or challenge to my posts, rants, and musing, please respect that and do so person to person.

[Barkiss]

Thank you for the extremely kind words OAK.

To all of those out there who hate, loathe, and/or despise me for whatever reason, I challenge any one of you to take the time to actually get to know me. This may be quite scary to some, because you might actually have to eat a little humble pie when you find out you are dead wrong about your negative assumptions. But, since this will fall on deaf ears to those who have already decided I am akin to the anti-christ, fuck it. I know who my true friends are, and I am damn proud to have them.

Oh, this thread was meant as a joke to have a little fun...just in case you were still confused.

What happened to "thick skinned"? ;) You sure are a poster of irony...;)

[jmsmith12345]

What happened to "thick skinned"? ;) You sure are a poster of irony...;)

ah, reading into things again...I love it

[Barkiss]

ah, reading into things again...I love it

How is it reading into things? You make a post which states that people should be thicked skinned, etc. Right? BTW..I agree with it.

Then you write a post which directly addresses everyone that didn't like your post. Based on your previous post, you would think that you wouldn't respond to any of the criticism; yet, it appears it might bother you more than you want to admit. Or..I suppose you could just be making "look at me" posts; however that would be directly against everything you grumble about, so I wouldn't believe that...;)

I don't know...as they say...."Proof is in the pudding"...or the posts in this instance.

[jmsmith12345]

How is it reading into things? You make a post which states that people should be thicked skinned, etc. Right? BTW..I agree with it.

Then you write a post which directly addresses everyone that didn't like your post. Based on your previous post, you would think that you wouldn't respond to any of the criticism; yet, it appears it might bother you more than you want to admit. Or..I suppose you could just be making "look at me" posts; however that would be directly against everything you grumble about, so I wouldn't believe that...;)

I don't know...as they say...."Proof is in the pudding"...or the posts in this instance.

The challenge had nothing to do with whether or not people liked my post. The challenge is about getting to know someone before passing judgement...you know, that whole book and cover analogy. Oh, and since in another thread, I said I would do my best to handle things in private, I will do so.

[takemeawaycalgon]

lets break this up, got laid off in decmeber, start a new job march 1st!

[SunnyD]

lets break this up, got laid off in decmeber, start a new job march 1st!

That's great news! Congrats!

[Brink]

I appreciate your responses. You do express your thoughts in a clear manner, and leave little ambiguity. There are two things that just stick out when you write (to me at least). You make statements based on assumptions from internet postings, and you never come out and ask me a direct question.

Like many others here, I come to find a bit of an escape, have a good time, laugh, and just forget about the seriousness of everyday life. People have said that I "show my ass" way too often...and I do, I show my ass, my heart, my brain, and every other part of me as well. If that is too much for you, or anyone else to handle...so be it, but I am quite comfortable being the person I am, and will not change just to make others like or appreciate me.

You and I will probably never see things in the same light, and that is fine...that is life. I can assure you that we come from such different backgrounds that you will never understand life through my eyes, nor will I through yours, but instead of trying, just value that no matter the delivery, a new perspective...good or bad...can always be learned.

One final thought. Other than goofing with friends and people of similar humor tastes, I generally do not respond to other members directly in threads. My opinion is such, sometimes, that it best be worked out in private. So, if you wish to directly address me with a serious question or challenge to my posts, rants, and musing, please respect that and do so person to person.

JM – the reason why I don’t use direct questions is twofold really – firstly, I think they can appear a bit confrontational. What do you think? Secondly, if you’re a genius of such gigantic proportions you can surely read between the lines << see, this is why I don’t use sarcasm too - It just doesn’t suit me! But, honestly – I would not knock yours or anyone else’s right to post here. I’ve written all over the place about what this forum means to me, and it’s quite comparable with what it means to you. Context is something that neither of us is lacking…

I totally agree with you about the intervention of backgrounds and how they shape our lives. That was my main point when it came to accepting different forms of humour and what some might find offensive. It is understanding and tolerance that we need with our opinions as well. No matter how much we disagree (and it’s clear, it’s not on everything) I would not think you were the Anti-Christ or any such thing. Ahem – that was a little conclusion on your part! And: are you really sure our lives are so dissimilar? How do you really know? To pose a question! Sweeping conclusions, you see…they are just so hard for one to avoid. Assumptions go hand in hand with most people’s arguments. Challenging them will just lead to endless circles!

I respect you wanting to take this privately – but I prefer things out in the open: I only PM to share erotic, deviant fantasies. No rush, JM! I believe we’ve found some middle-ground, exchanged some banter even, and I look forward to times when we might establish some more...If the moment is right! It is nice to see your other sides shining through, I wish we could see more of you like this. Build bridges, JM, don’t build walls!

[jmsmith12345]

JM – the reason why I don’t use direct questions is twofold really – firstly, I think they can appear a bit confrontational. What do you think? Secondly, if you’re a genius of such gigantic proportions you can surely read between the lines << see, this is why I don’t use sarcasm too - It just doesn’t suit me! But, honestly – I would not knock yours or anyone else’s right to post here. I’ve written all over the place about what this forum means to me, and it’s quite comparable with what it means to you. Context is something that neither of us is lacking…

I totally agree with you about the intervention of backgrounds and how they shape our lives. That was my main point when it came to accepting different forms of humour and what some might find offensive. It is understanding and tolerance that we need with our opinions as well. No matter how much we disagree (and it’s clear, it’s not on everything) I would not think you were the Anti-Christ or any such thing. Ahem – that was a little conclusion on your part! And: are you really sure our lives are so dissimilar? How do you really know? To pose a question! Sweeping conclusions, you see…they are just so hard for one to avoid. Assumptions go hand in hand with most people’s arguments. Challenging them will just lead to endless circles!

I respect you wanting to take this privately – but I prefer things out in the open: I only PM to share erotic, deviant fantasies. No rush, JM! I believe we’ve found some middle-ground, exchanged some banter even, and I look forward to times when we might establish some more...If the moment is right! It is nice to see your other sides shining through, I wish we could see more of you like this. Build bridges, JM, don’t build walls!





Ok, since you prefer an open forum, I will respect that.

Regarding direct questions...when did confrontational become such an ugly word? What is wrong with confronting things head on? Why not just ask a direct question, get a direct answer, and move forward with both sides having some new found knowledge? I guess that I just see confrontation differently, and a positive thing.

Side note: The "anti-christ" comment was a universal thing, and not meant to be a direct statement to you.

You are correct that I do not know for sure that our lives are so dissimilar, but given my 38+ years on this earth, and what that has brought...I would sure hope that is the case.

I disagree with the challenging of assumptions comment. How else do you find the truth if you do not challenge the assumption and the argument??? Isn't the challenge there to help erase said assumption and clarify the argument?

My last point in this little diatribe is that when you make remarks like "Secondly, if you’re a genius of such gigantic proportions you can surely read between the lines..." just begs for the over-the-top, biting, and often crass humor that many find offensive.

Ok, that is way too much of my serious side today. Thanks for the conversation.

[Brink]

Ok, since you prefer an open forum, I will respect that.

Regarding direct questions...when did confrontational become such an ugly word? What is wrong with confronting things head on? Why not just ask a direct question, get a direct answer, and move forward with both sides having some new found knowledge? I guess that I just see confrontation differently, and a positive thing.

Side note: The "anti-christ" comment was a universal thing, and not meant to be a direct statement to you.

You are correct that I do not know for sure that our lives are so dissimilar, but given my 38+ years on this earth, and what that has brought...I would sure hope that is the case.

I disagree with the challenging of assumptions comment. How else do you find the truth if you do not challenge the assumption and the argument??? Isn't the challenge there to help erase said assumption and clarify the argument?

My last point in this little diatribe is that when you make remarks like "Secondly, if you’re a genius of such gigantic proportions you can surely read between the lines..." just begs for the over-the-top, biting, and often crass humor that many find offensive.

Ok, that is way too much of my serious side today. Thanks for the conversation.

JM - I think we might see confrontation similarly, actually. Well, maybe the word’s semantics are different, but, I agree – one should be head on with people, open, and not afraid. I hope that’s what we are doing here. It was with that in mind that I ‘confronted’ you and OAK on this thread. Asking direct questions is not how I usually interact – a sign, perhaps, that our backgrounds are somewhat different -but I will try to remember that you prefer it that way. However, there is some confrontation that I do think we should avoid, as you pointed out:

"Secondly, if you're a genius of such gigantic proportions etc...."

Yes, these personal comments are not really necessary. However, I did not mean it to be biting at all – I was making fun at my own inability to use sarcasm right! Proven yet again - I have no comic timing whatsoever! Just goes to show how intentions can get misinterpreted when you don’t know the person that well, and over the Internet, where you can not see the smile or the frown. To clarify, JM – I was not intending to be crass - that was a joke that was out of character for me, thus it backfired! Hope you weren't offended. Best say the “erotic, deviant PMs” are also in jest – just in case I got a bit carried away there as well!

I see your point about challenging assumptions – I agree that one should set the record straight when somebody forms an incorrect opinion about you. Again, this conversation is largely dealing with that, which is great. What I really meant to say was that trading tit-for-tat examples of incidences where we back up our arguments with such conclusions will just lead to us going around in circles. It would become monotonous - it’s evident that we both assume things here and there – everyone does it. They are, arguably, not conclusions we are drawing anyway, but different perspectives on the same thing. Also, some of it would be avoided if we knew the basics about each other, so we didn't have to assume so much. I hope you see now that I do want to scrape off the layers and see what’s underneath the humour.

It was a good conversation – this is my form of “shooting the shit”. Certainly not for everyone – indeed, many would see it as utterly pointless - so thanks for indulging me! I do not expect a reply – you’re ok.

[jmsmith12345]

JM - I think we might see confrontation similarly, actually. Well, maybe the word’s semantics are different, but, I agree – one should be head on with people, open, and not afraid. I hope that’s what we are doing here. It was with that in mind that I ‘confronted’ you and OAK on this thread. Asking direct questions is not how I usually interact – a sign, perhaps, that our backgrounds are somewhat different -but I will try to remember that you prefer it that way. However, there is some confrontation that I do think we should avoid, as you pointed out:

"Secondly, if you're a genius of such gigantic proportions etc...."

Yes, these personal comments are not really necessary. However, I did not mean it to be biting at all – I was making fun at my own inability to use sarcasm right! Proven yet again - I have no comic timing whatsoever! Just goes to show how intentions can get misinterpreted when you don’t know the person that well, and over the Internet, where you can not see the smile or the frown. To clarify, JM – I was not intending to be crass - that was a joke that was out of character for me, thus it backfired! Hope you weren't offended. Best say the “erotic, deviant PMs” are also in jest – just in case I got a bit carried away there as well!

I see your point about challenging assumptions – I agree that one should set the record straight when somebody forms an incorrect opinion about you. Again, this conversation is largely dealing with that, which is great. What I really meant to say was that trading tit-for-tat examples of incidences where we back up our arguments with such conclusions will just lead to us going around in circles. It would become monotonous - it’s evident that we both assume things here and there – everyone does it. They are, arguably, not conclusions we are drawing anyway, but different perspectives on the same thing. Also, some of it would be avoided if we knew the basics about each other, so we didn't have to assume so much. I hope you see now that I do want to scrape off the layers and see what’s underneath the humour.

It was a good conversation – this is my form of “shooting the shit”. Certainly not for everyone – indeed, many would see it as utterly pointless - so thanks for indulging me! I do not expect a reply – you’re ok.


Somehow on a flirting site, that just sounds dirty.

[OnceAKing]

First of all Brink I don't owe you an explanation about my intentions short of me wanting to offer it...I told you upfront that JM did what I asked him to do for me. You're contentiousness with JM is blatantly obvious in either of the two threads he's started recently. You've attempted to pass off your analysis thing of both me and him and this thread several times as though to give you some sort of authoritarian background in order for you to have an opinion that would carry some sort of weight around here...I'm not sure how it works over where you are but over here opinions are just like assholes...everybody has at least one and often times it's only hot air that comes out.

What makes you think you have the right to critique the intent of this or any other thread unless you're just looking to start some shit with someone? Let me offer you a bit of caution before you jump in too deep...it's true JM thought it was a joke when I asked him to do it...and yes I did joke about coming back and having it officially announced..My God look at the myriad of other threads or posts within threads where people have announced their departure or someone else announced it for them only to be back around before dusk had set in...one even as many as three times if I can count correctly... Where were you on those threads and posts?...why weren't you so upset and willing to wax on so eloquently in those instances?...I will say outright that I think the difference is you saw that JM started this thread. I will tell you one more time so please try to understand it...JM did what I asked him to do,,,just as I asked him to do it...So if you don't like it then it's too fucking bad. I don't owe you an explanation short of me deciding on my on to give it, is that clear enough?

Here's the truth, I have considered leaving this place on several occasions...once about a week or two after I signed up...another time well into it when I felt like as a single person it really wasn't where I belonged, and then Christy and I have discussed it at least twice before this time...She insisted on being right this time and I agreed that she probably was... For obvious reasons we both love this place...it is responsible for Christy and I finding each other but it has not been without it's problems either...some superficial and some that really get under my skin. I guess that goes with the territory and is to be expected. We both have made a few really good friends...and both of us have made some friends who weren't after all. So actually no one but she and I really know.

You mentioned early on about having your emotions toyed with...I apologize if you're emotions are really that fragile...I know there are some here whose emotions are that fragile but I never thought about you being one of em...Surely to god you aren't vain enough to think that your or anyone elses tender emotions would usurp my right to make personal choices of what I think is best for me or us...or are you? I know there are many who think that the world and everything in it ought to revolve about them and how they happen to be feeling from one moment to the next and how sensitive their little emotional well being is...are you one of em?

Now it's time to let this shit drop and move on, if you are big enough to do that?

[Barkiss]

Look at me, look at me...I can piss far too!! Woohoo

I commend you all on your excellent use of the English language. However...can we move on now? It's starting to sound like a dull hum.

[Brink]

OAK – I do intend to let this thing drop, so I hope you don’t mind if I don’t address all of your points. Everybody here is welcome to their opinion of me – whatever I say or do. I am always the first one to admit that I can be hit or miss sometimes, but I don’t intend to hurt or offend anyone. I don’t think any of us do. Maybe, on this occasion, I do sound like a self-pontificating asshole, who is very fragile and vain! I sincerely hope I do not, but who knows - it all depends on where you are standing at the time!

I have no personal issues with you or JM. It might appear like I do, and this is probably my fault, but it would take a lot more than this difference of opinion for me to develop any problems with you. I was genuinely saddened to think you were leaving, just as I’d be saddened to think anything had come between our regard for each other. It is just not worth it, especially over a practical joke. For what it’s worth - I am sorry for playing my part in the making of this situation. Although it was good to speak to JM, if I could have predicted it going this way, I would not have opened my mouth.

[jmsmith12345]

So, to sum it up...jokes need to be obvious, and Barkiss can still pee??? or am I missing something? Oh yeah, OAK and M are staying. I think that sums it up.

[Denny422]

OAK – I do intend to let this thing drop, so I hope you don’t mind if I don’t address all of your points. Everybody here is welcome to their opinion of me – whatever I say or do. I am always the first one to admit that I can be hit or miss sometimes, but I don’t intend to hurt or offend anyone. I don’t think any of us do. Maybe, on this occasion, I do sound like a self-pontificating asshole, who is very fragile and vain! I sincerely hope I do not, but who knows - it all depends on where you are standing at the time!

I have no personal issues with you or JM. It might appear like I do, and this is probably my fault, but it would take a lot more than this difference of opinion for me to develop any problems with you. I was genuinely saddened to think you were leaving, just as I’d be saddened to think anything had come between our regard for each other. It is just not worth it, especially over a practical joke. For what it’s worth - I am sorry for playing my part in the making of this situation. Although it was good to speak to JM, if I could have predicted it going this way, I would not have opened my mouth.


Very classy. I'm genuinely impressed.

And just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm not joking, being sarcastic, or anything else. It means just what it says.

[OnceAKing]

OAK – I do intend to let this thing drop, so I hope you don’t mind if I don’t address all of your points. Everybody here is welcome to their opinion of me – whatever I say or do. I am always the first one to admit that I can be hit or miss sometimes, but I don’t intend to hurt or offend anyone. I don’t think any of us do. Maybe, on this occasion, I do sound like a self-pontificating asshole, who is very fragile and vain! I sincerely hope I do not, but who knows - it all depends on where you are standing at the time!

I have no personal issues with you or JM. It might appear like I do, and this is probably my fault, but it would take a lot more than this difference of opinion for me to develop any problems with you. I was genuinely saddened to think you were leaving, just as I’d be saddened to think anything had come between our regard for each other. It is just not worth it, especially over a practical joke. For what it’s worth - I am sorry for playing my part in the making of this situation. Although it was good to speak to JM, if I could have predicted it going this way, I would not have opened my mouth.

Thank you very much for your words. I too hold you and your thoughtful posts in the highest regard. You are one I always am interested in reading and that hasn't changed. I appreciate your ability to communicate your thoughts and feelings with both passion, patience and even persistance.

I feel I owe you and other's an apology and with this I hope you can and will accept it. I pray I'm never too proud to admit to being wrong and lose my desire willingness to say, "I'm sorry, please accept my apology". We all have our moments and I realize that some of mine don't shine so brightly sometimes...some would surely say even most of the time.

You are indeed a gentleman and it's people like yourself and JM and a few others who make this truly an enjoyable and worthwhile place to be for reasons other than flirting fun. I hope we don't ever lose that.

I'm certain with this post I will elicit a few cute little "man love" comments and that's okay, I'm secure enough with my manhood and package that I don't feel threatened by them.

And JM there's never been a question about the pissin...only if the next time will again be in the squating position with a little "Whoooohooooo" thrown in for effect. :lmao

[Brink]

OAK, thanks so much for your understanding! I am so pleased and relieved that our friendship has survived a few dark moments. I hope I have established such resilience in all of my friendships here. I won’t keep testing you on purpose, but if it’s anything like my RL friendships go – where people share their feelings come what may – I might just get on your nerves from time to time...to say the least! If this was RL, however, I would be sure to know when we were about to enter a disagreement and I would question whether or not it was worthwhile. It’s just so easy to find yourself embroiled in a clash over the Internet, and only have your words to sort things out, but this must be the first time I’ve ever let a practical joke run away with me. Thank you for the apology - I just hope I don't seem a killjoy!

This forum is so rich and spicy with characters; if I ever thought we were about to lose one, it would make me stop and think. I am still getting around and meeting people properly, and I’m often too reserved with those I do know, but I find a lot to treasure in all the regulars here. The community can withstand all sorts of upheavals and still be ok at the end of the day. So many people fill the immeasurable roles that make this a great place, who knows what impact is felt when certain personalities have to go. Can you imagine waiting for another JM to come along? And I could mention so many individuals here. It takes all sorts of colours to make a rainbow, and keep this place honest and relevant, and that is one thing that is clearer today than ever. You live and learn, and I have learned so much from venturing out with my thoughts, it is good to know I can do it here...

:friday:

There you go - I know you're after make-up sex, but you can keep that package to yourself!!!