I am Tired!!!

[spare_change]

As most know, I am in the financial services industry. I had an emergency meeting today with my attorneys (I have several on staff).

Over the past year, I have tried to penetrate the local Hispanic market - I believe it to be a lucrative opportunity, and I believe that I can help some people improve their lifestyles. During this timeframe, I spent $42,000 in ads in the local Hispanic papers and magazines, and an additional $3500 in ads trying to hire Hispanics to assist me to penetrate that market. During that year, I had two Hispanics apply - neither with a high school degree.

Today, I was served --- I, and 5 others, are being sued for $2.8 million each for failing to provide financial services to the Hispanic community, and failure to hire Hispanics.

My lawyers tell me it is a no-brainer -- we can either settle (they estimate an offer of $150,000 each would be accepted), or we can fight and will win (they estimate the cost to defend myself in the lawsuit will be about $175,000).

Tonight, on the way home, I heard a news story that a high school principal in Longmont, CO has banned flags from the school -- all flags -- to include the American flag. In fact, he expelled several students for displaying flags, to include one who had a flag on the dashboard of his car in the parking lot.

So, folks, I am tired --

I am tired of trying to be politically correct -- of tiptoeing around everything for fear of hurting someone's feelings.

I am tired of making special allowances for people lest I have to worry about lawsuits.

I am tired of people who think they deserve something just because of WHO they are, rather than WHAT they are.

I am tired of relinquishing my position and my pride to avoid confrontations.

I am tired of feeling bad because I am an American.

I am tired of being ashamed that I have worked hard to get what I have.

I am tired of people trying to take it, just because they want it, not because they earned it.

So, now, the gloves are off --- no more Mr. Nice Guy.

BTW --- I just made arrangements to buy 183 American flags -- they will be delivered to that high school tomorrow afternoon. I couldn't find any more ---

Fuck em -- I am who I am and I am damn proud of who I am!

[tiger50]

As most know, I am in the financial services industry. I had an emergency meeting today with my attorneys (I have several on staff).

Over the past year, I have tried to penetrate the local Hispanic market - I believe it to be a lucrative opportunity, and I believe that I can help some people improve their lifestyles. During this timeframe, I spent $42,000 in ads in the local Hispanic papers and magazines, and an additional $3500 in ads trying to hire Hispanics to assist me to penetrate that market. During that year, I had two Hispanics apply - neither with a high school degree.

Today, I was served --- I, and 5 others, are being sued for $2.8 million each for failing to provide financial services to the Hispanic community, and failure to hire Hispanics.

My lawyers tell me it is a no-brainer -- we can either settle (they estimate an offer of $150,000 each would be accepted), or we can fight and will win (they estimate the cost to defend myself in the lawsuit will be about $175,000).

Tonight, on the way home, I heard a news story that a high school principal in Longmont, CO has banned flags from the school -- all flags -- to include the American flag. In fact, he expelled several students for displaying flags, to include one who had a flag on the dashboard of his car in the parking lot.

So, folks, I am tired --

I am tired of trying to be politically correct -- of tiptoeing around everything for fear of hurting someone's feelings.

I am tired of making special allowances for people lest I have to worry about lawsuits.

I am tired of people who think they deserve something just because of WHO they are, rather than WHAT they are.

I am tired of relinquishing my position and my pride to avoid confrontations.

I am tired of feeling bad because I am an American.

I am tired of being ashamed that I have worked hard to get what I have.

I am tired of people trying to take it, just because they want it, not because they earned it.

So, now, the gloves are off --- no more Mr. Nice Guy.

BTW --- I just made arrangements to buy 183 American flags -- they will be delivered to that high school tomorrow afternoon. I couldn't find any more ---

Fuck em -- I am who I am and I am damn proud of who I am!

go for it mate, agree with every bluddie word... similar shit here... :wa:

[Trev]

That's been the topic on talk radio around here.

[Jy]

I haven't seen you in person, Spare, but I'm guessing that you are Caucasian, male, fairly well-off financially, and I know that you are middle-aged, if you've posted your correct age.

It has been my experience that to be a white, middle-aged male in our society today is pretty much the lowest place to be on the societal list of priorities.
Today's white male doesn't get asked to apply for jobs, doesn't get his own gym, special discounts on ANYTHING, and gets no tax breaks.
By the way, I love what you did, sending the flags. You've got backbone, honey.

[Cotties]

I hope your story is exagerated or you should have thew right to be very pissed off. I'm sure there is more to it and you may not want to go into it.


I'd be very pissed off....as for banning the U.S flag in that school.....
who the fuck does he think he is...............go kick his ass Spare
As most know, I am in the financial services industry. I had an emergency meeting today with my attorneys (I have several on staff).

Over the past year, I have tried to penetrate the local Hispanic market - I believe it to be a lucrative opportunity, and I believe that I can help some people improve their lifestyles. During this timeframe, I spent $42,000 in ads in the local Hispanic papers and magazines, and an additional $3500 in ads trying to hire Hispanics to assist me to penetrate that market. During that year, I had two Hispanics apply - neither with a high school degree.

Today, I was served --- I, and 5 others, are being sued for $2.8 million each for failing to provide financial services to the Hispanic community, and failure to hire Hispanics.

My lawyers tell me it is a no-brainer -- we can either settle (they estimate an offer of $150,000 each would be accepted), or we can fight and will win (they estimate the cost to defend myself in the lawsuit will be about $175,000).

Tonight, on the way home, I heard a news story that a high school principal in Longmont, CO has banned flags from the school -- all flags -- to include the American flag. In fact, he expelled several students for displaying flags, to include one who had a flag on the dashboard of his car in the parking lot.

So, folks, I am tired --

I am tired of trying to be politically correct -- of tiptoeing around everything for fear of hurting someone's feelings.

I am tired of making special allowances for people lest I have to worry about lawsuits.

I am tired of people who think they deserve something just because of WHO they are, rather than WHAT they are.

I am tired of relinquishing my position and my pride to avoid confrontations.

I am tired of feeling bad because I am an American.

I am tired of being ashamed that I have worked hard to get what I have.

I am tired of people trying to take it, just because they want it, not because they earned it.

So, now, the gloves are off --- no more Mr. Nice Guy.

BTW --- I just made arrangements to buy 183 American flags -- they will be delivered to that high school tomorrow afternoon. I couldn't find any more ---

Fuck em -- I am who I am and I am damn proud of who I am!

[spare_change]

I hope your story is exagerated or you should have thew right to be very pissed off. I'm sure there is more to it and you may not want to go into it.


I'd be very pissed off....as for banning the U.S flag in that school.....
who the fuck does he think he is...............go kick his ass Spare

Not one word of exaggeration, my friend --- we are still sorting out the legal impacts. As for the flags -- I told my secretary I wanted 1000 of them -- glad she didn't find them (they were $14.33 each !!! lol )

[Jy]

I think the Principal of that school should be very afraid. If I were in a legal battle of any sort, I would want Spare in my corner.


I'd like him in some other places too, but I'm talking about legalities in this case.;)


go kick his ass Spare

[Cotties]

What are the legal requirements in reference to hiring immigrant workers in the States or Colorado? We have laws in Australia but I believe they only apply to people employing for the government.

Secondly, are you telling me you can get sued for not making money out of an ethnic group of Americans?

signed: curious

btw. What were you going to do with a thousand flags?:D


Today, I was served --- I, and 5 others, are being sued for $2.8 million each for failing to provide financial services to the Hispanic community, and failure to hire Hispanics.

My lawyers tell me it is a no-brainer -- we can either settle (they estimate an offer of $150,000 each would be accepted), or we can fight and will win (they estimate the cost to defend myself in the lawsuit will be about $175,000).

[Norfolkdave]

I have come to know you bit by bit, and I do look up to you and respect you highly, so go Kick Ass friend.

[spare_change]

What are the legal requirements in reference to hiring immigrant workers in the States or Colorado? We have laws in Australia but I believe they only apply to people employing for the government.

Secondly, are you telling me you can get sued for not making money out of an ethnic group of Americans?

signed: curious

btw. What were you going to do with a thousand flags?:D

There is no quota for hiring in Colorado. Rather, the law is the other way around -- we cannot discriminate against a potential hire for any reason. On the surface, it seems a fair system, until some lawyer figured out that not having a minority on staff MUST mean you are discriminating against that minority - never considering that no one applied, that no one was qualified, etc.IIt is part of a movement to establish hiring quotas -- something most Americans resist.

In America, you can get sued for any old thing they want -- doesn't mean they will win, but frankly, they make it expensive so that it is easier to give up and settle out of court than to fight them to the end. In this case, they are alleging two things: 1) we haven't hired any Hispanics, so we have unfair hiring practices, and 2) we have not fairly offered our services to the Hispanic community, so we must be trying to oppress the Hispanic community. They are both false, as I said, but that doesn't make much difference -- it will still cost me a fortune to prove our innocence, or I can just pay them off.

The 1000 flags? It was my intent to hire a bunch of guys and have them planted on school grounds. I figured by the time they took down and folded all those flags, they would have re-thought their decision. Frankly, that was an over-reaction on my part to an injustice. I am satisfied with the 180 we are sending up there -- I hope to get the local Boy Scout troop to deliver them personally to the school -- force them to turn them away, or change their policy.

[MCat]

Send us a picture if the flags make the paper. Would be cool to see it. I totally agree. Good Luck with your law suit.

[Shiane]

Dammit Man I just love ya! All i can say is.............



HELL YEAH!

[gnikeht]

spare_change, I'm a hispanic myself, however, I know exactly what you mean and agree to most of what you say. I also understand your frustration. These things not only happen to you, I have also been a target of lawsuits from people that only do it for money without any real merit.

In some commuties I've lived, I've tried to hire other hispanics and with some exceptions, have had the same results you've had: very low educational level and not much of a desire to work. However, I've had others that are just excellent.

But in the end i've come to think that it's not entirely their fault. I've had employees that made more money out of welfare and government help than I was willing to pay them. As long as our government keeps maintaning people we're just creating a "who can I rip off" culture.

Nowadays we've heard a lot about new imigration policies, my approach to it would be, let them stay as long as they can show they actually contribute to our society and are not a burden. By this I mean, not just get a job but get a job that will put them above whatever poverty line is set for whereever they live. And if they can't sustain that, kick them out.




There is no quota for hiring in Colorado. Rather, the law is the other way around -- we cannot discriminate against a potential hire for any reason. On the surface, it seems a fair system, until some lawyer figured out that not having a minority on staff MUST mean you are discriminating against that minority - never considering that no one applied, that no one was qualified, etc.IIt is part of a movement to establish hiring quotas -- something most Americans resist.

In America, you can get sued for any old thing they want -- doesn't mean they will win, but frankly, they make it expensive so that it is easier to give up and settle out of court than to fight them to the end. In this case, they are alleging two things: 1) we haven't hired any Hispanics, so we have unfair hiring practices, and 2) we have not fairly offered our services to the Hispanic community, so we must be trying to oppress the Hispanic community. They are both false, as I said, but that doesn't make much difference -- it will still cost me a fortune to prove our innocence, or I can just pay them off.

The 1000 flags? It was my intent to hire a bunch of guys and have them planted on school grounds. I figured by the time they took down and folded all those flags, they would have re-thought their decision. Frankly, that was an over-reaction on my part to an injustice. I am satisfied with the 180 we are sending up there -- I hope to get the local Boy Scout troop to deliver them personally to the school -- force them to turn them away, or change their policy.

[Shiane]

Political Correctness

We hear a lot these days about political correctness and although it is
used to describe a lot of situations I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a
clear cut definition.

I would like to offer my own personal definition and while I’m sure that
it won’t be all inclusive, nor the quintessential end all description of
this shallow verbal phenomenon, I nevertheless will give you my
impressions.

1. It’s not what something is, it’s what you call it.

2. Never actually face reality.

3. There is no evil in the world except for Pat Robertson and Jesse
Helms.

4. I’m ok and you’re ok.

5. Give voice to all opinions except those which differ from your own.

6. If you ignore it it will go away.

7. Posture and placate.

8. You bear no responsibility for your own actions, for example if you
smoke and get lung cancer it’s the tobacco company’s fault.

9. Find a spot where the sand is deep enough to bury your whole head
when faced with controversy.

10. Always take the verbal high ground, no matter how silly it is.

11. When it comes to a choice between idealism and practicality always
choose idealism.

12. Talk a lot about the environment whether you know what you’re
talking about or not.

13. Always support your cronies no matter how wrong they are.

14. Never appear too patriotic , it just ain’t cool.

15. Blame America for all the problems in the world except the ones
that Bill Clinton caused.

16. Oppose the death penalty while supporting partial birth abortion.

17. Put the rights of animals ahead of the rights of human beings.

18. If someone criticizes a minority, no matter what the reason, scream
racists.

19. Advocate trash on television in the name of freedom of speech.

20. Support public television and radio.

21. Never question the decisions of the United Nations.

22. Develop the attitude that all war is bad and always sympathize with
the enemy.

23. Blame Israel for the whole Middle Eastern mess, making excuses for
the poor old Palestinian bombers who blow up women and children.

24. Be strong on the issue of church versus state and ostracize anybody
who is old fashioned enough to believe that the words under God should
be in the Pledge of Allegiance.

25. Attend all functions like the Foundation for the Arts soiree,
have a glass of chardonnay and a piece of quiche and rub elbows with the
hoi poloi. P.S. The chardonnay is optional and
a glass of Perrier can be substituted, but the quiche is mandatory.

26. Last and most important, get yourself ready for a very large dose of
reality. It’s coming. You’d better believe it’s coming.

What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

[Sandy]

spare i agree with you 100 percent, you go kick some ass ok. my mother is from italy, but shes an american, she fought damn long and hard to get her citizienship, and has worked her whole life, sometimes 2 jobs, and it pisses us off to watch people come into our country cause they want a better life, but yet refuse to do anything to get it. they seem to think we owe it to them. well i don't owe them squat. i applaud you for trying to make things better, and offer them jobs, now don't get me wrong you do have those who are willing to work, but it seems to me that 80 percent of them want hand-outs, and our govt, is helping them. instead of helping them make them work and pay the way we do, cause you can bet your sweet ass if we worked in the country we wouldn't get 5 years tax-free. and its sad cause the ones that do want to try get burned by the ones who don't. our govt. needs to change its laws to help us, noy hurt us. and they need to take care of our country, before another. i hope to god you foght them tooth and nail. go to the media let them everything you've done, and show them for what they rreally are. as for the flags, i'm very proud of what you did. go kick some ass. :spbx:

[Sandy]

hey spare, do me a favor ok, ask that principal where his support is for our troops, and how many military kids are in his school thast he just disrespected.

[Zifnab]

The banning of flags was an attempt to STOP racially motivated confrontations.....What he did was in my opinion the best course of action AVAILABLE TO HIM. and for the same reaasons as everyone else.Anything other than what he did would cause lawsuits for everything from discrimination to racist segregation. I disagree with what was done, but understand it. It has NOTHING to do with support of the troups at all, and it is silly to accuse hiim of such things. He is trying to maintain control over a highly volitile situation. Do we need to turn on the tv tomorrow and see race war in a high school????? I frilling think not. But until the SYSTEM can be corrected, and society taken to bare and be held accountable for the way it has screwed the pooch over the last 30 years, we will see more of this type of incident. Instead of blaming a principal, blame the Senators and representatives that pass legislation which in effect, castrates the American people, and reduces our Constitution to a piece of scrap paper.
Blame not one man, but blame all! For we are the ones who must stand forward and be counted. We are the ones that MUST make the change for no one else will.
PC is crap. It is a part of the transfer to parasite that our society has encouraged. The scene from the movie the Matrix comes to mind.....Your species is not mamals, your parasites.

If you want to succeed in America, then you need to POSSESS as much as possible while gaining it from the labor of OTHERS!!! If you can't get it for free, sue them for it!:spbx:

[Norfolkdave]

My only rant is Tony Blair and his taxes, petrol at over 92p a litre, council tax up we are taxed on everything in this country, and the Labour party are Bleeding us dry. Hotair Blair is useless as a PM yobs rule, drivers who kill get stupid sentances, muggings up, prisoners being released early to murder again, while Blair goes round the bloody worlld at our expense. One is frightened to walk out at night because of gangs terrorising. All this money Blair is getting from us and our NHS Service is breaking down, hospitals closing wards and laying staff off, yet hotair blairs wants to spend over 3,000,000 on a bloody jet like bush has. That money could go back into the NHS, and the taxes they take of of VAT could be used to build Prisons, No Mr Tony Bloody Blair should Go hes useless and hes destroyed this once proud Island. Immigration has trebled, why cos we have no border controls, and Blair and his cronies are not interested, only in other countries. Now we read Iran can have nukes by 2007, God help us all.

[G...G]

You go Spare.. I'm with you all the way!!

[Annie]

Spare, I totally agree with everything you said! Bravo on sending those flags and the idea of having the Scouts deliver them was pure genius! However, how about giving us the address of that school? I wouldn't mind having our Boy Scouts send them a few. Whatever happened to an American flag flying over every public school? What ever happened to the Pledge of Alligence being said the first thing every morning?

[spare_change]

spare_change, I'm a hispanic myself, however, I know exactly what you mean and agree to most of what you say. I also understand your frustration. These things not only happen to you, I have also been a target of lawsuits from people that only do it for money without any real merit.

In some commuties I've lived, I've tried to hire other hispanics and with some exceptions, have had the same results you've had: very low educational level and not much of a desire to work. However, I've had others that are just excellent.

But in the end i've come to think that it's not entirely their fault. I've had employees that made more money out of welfare and government help than I was willing to pay them. As long as our government keeps maintaning people we're just creating a "who can I rip off" culture.

Nowadays we've heard a lot about new imigration policies, my approach to it would be, let them stay as long as they can show they actually contribute to our society and are not a burden. By this I mean, not just get a job but get a job that will put them above whatever poverty line is set for whereever they live. And if they can't sustain that, kick them out.

Thanks for your kind words. I want to be clear about one thing. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Hispanic community. In fact, one of the reasons that I targeted the Hispanic community was because I recognized that they are hard working, conscientious, and committed to improving themselves. Their values very closely aligned to mine, and I really thought that, through education, they could significantly increase their lifestyle.

I also agree that the problem isn't with individuals - the system is broken. White America, in its attempts to apologize for its sins, has always tried to buy its way out of its guilt. Our welfare programs only serve to exacerbate the problem - by destroying the need to work, the need to be productive. For many years, this was a result of its inherent sense of self superiority. They treated minorities and oppressed groups as little children that they were obsessed with caring for. After all, they knew what was best for the people even if the people didn't. The Bureau of Indian Affairs ruined a tradition of proud self-sufficiency "because we knew better". Affirmative action programs weren't attempts to assist African Americans - it was a collar of "we know better" that has been counterproductive. And now, we are committing the same crime with Hispanics.

The answer is a hand up --- not a hand out! By giving them everything and demanding nothing in return, we have caused generations to lose their drive to contribute. Why work for $7.50 an hour, when I can sit home and the Government will pay me $6.50 to do it? If you gave me this, then I must be entitled to that. How can you have any sense of self worth, when stuff is just given to you?

[spare_change]

The banning of flags was an attempt to STOP racially motivated confrontations.....What he did was in my opinion the best course of action AVAILABLE TO HIM. and for the same reaasons as everyone else.Anything other than what he did would cause lawsuits for everything from discrimination to racist segregation. I disagree with what was done, but understand it. It has NOTHING to do with support of the troups at all, and it is silly to accuse hiim of such things. He is trying to maintain control over a highly volitile situation. Do we need to turn on the tv tomorrow and see race war in a high school????? I frilling think not. But until the SYSTEM can be corrected, and society taken to bare and be held accountable for the way it has screwed the pooch over the last 30 years, we will see more of this type of incident. Instead of blaming a principal, blame the Senators and representatives that pass legislation which in effect, castrates the American people, and reduces our Constitution to a piece of scrap paper.
Blame not one man, but blame all! For we are the ones who must stand forward and be counted. We are the ones that MUST make the change for no one else will.
PC is crap. It is a part of the transfer to parasite that our society has encouraged. The scene from the movie the Matrix comes to mind.....Your species is not mamals, your parasites.

If you want to succeed in America, then you need to POSSESS as much as possible while gaining it from the labor of OTHERS!!! If you can't get it for free, sue them for it!:spbx:

Sorry, Zif --- I must disagree.

There comes a time in all things when a line must be drawn between the acceptable and the unacceptable. There comes a time when there can be no more excuses, only accountability. There comes a time when each must be held responsibile for his actions, and for his contributions to society.

This principal was faced with a very sticky situation - and he failed. He failed as a principal; he failed as an adult; and he failed as an American. Some things are inviolate.

Let's examine what he did -- he had a situation in which different racial factions were chafing against each other. He could have established a council of the competing factions to figure out how to best defuse the situation; he could have mandated a strict policy, and severely punished the offenders; he could have made racial understanding and tolerance the signal subject for his teachers. He could have set a standard of working together to solve problems; he could have been an example of adult leadership.

What did he do? He tried to cure the disease by treating the symptom. He put a band-aid on a gaping wound. He took a Chamberlain-esque approach - if we ignore the problem, if we hide the problem, maybe it will just go away.

This man failed -- he failed his school, he failed his community, and most important of all, he failed his students. The man should be fired.

You will notice that not once did I say that the American flag has precedence -- but I believe it does. It is by the grace of that flag that the school exists. It is by the strength of that flag that those students are allowed to state their opinions publicly. It is by the heart of that flag that we are allowed to exercise those principles. What right does this principal have to sacrifice that grace, that strength, that heart on the altar of expediency? Why can't he be man enough to take a stand, to tell his students that there is such a thing as unacceptable behavior, that unacceptable behavior will be punished? Why can't he show a bunch of kids that sometimes, just sometimes, there are things for which a price must be paid, and that each of us must pay the price?

Oh, by the way -- it is that flag that allows us to discuss this today.

[Norfolkdave]

If you gave me this, then I must be entitled to that. How can you have any sense of self worth, when stuff is just given to you?

Sadly spare in this country this is the problem with the unemployed, they would rather sit on there asses and get something for nothing, where as if I could work I would because what I recieve in Disability premiums is nothing and I paid in all these years. Our problems rise from the easy touch Brigade of our government, I still believe if they are unemployed they can become self employed theres plenty of work around, what they should do is offer them 3 jobs if they refuse them their benifit is cut dramacticly, then if they want money let them earn it, but with Blairs soft touch they would wimp about " their human rights" their rights in my eyes were gone when they sit at home and want something for nothing, they havent rights.

[Sandy]

very well said spare. :55

[Penny]

unreal :(

[spare_change]

Dave, I learned a long time ago that if you do nothing long enough, pretty soon doing anything is too much.

We have created generations of people who believe they are entitled to everything, and should have to work for nothing. Nobody goes to work unless they HAVE to. Hell, I don't like working either -- I just ain't figured out somebody to give it to me.

[Norfolkdave]

Dave, I learned a long time ago that if you do nothing long enough, pretty soon doing anything is too much.

We have created generations of people who believe they are entitled to everything, and should have to work for nothing. Nobody goes to work unless they HAVE to. Hell, I don't like working either -- I just ain't figured out somebody to give it to me.

Doing nothing shouldnt be payable!!!! I can see what your saying I just wandered off my soapbox, but this country does need sorting out badly. Why Im so angry is that all those soldiers in the two great wars died for nothing, they fought for so much and we in todays society have limpets of the dregs trying to cash in and that angers me so very much. Your a hard working guy and I know you have a nice home etc etc through working and you at least can hold your head high with pride.

[Zifnab]

Dave, I learned a long time ago that if you do nothing long enough, pretty soon doing anything is too much.

We have created generations of people who believe they are entitled to everything, and should have to work for nothing. Nobody goes to work unless they HAVE to. Hell, I don't like working either -- I just ain't figured out somebody to give it to me.I would rather be busy with something than sit around and do NOTHING.... may be it was working the farm as a kid.... if you don't work you don't eat.... Jamestown rule, Miles Standish and all that wasn't it???? Where did we turn aside from the reward for your efforts work ethinc??? Is a sad state of affairs.....because we have so much we should GIVE to those who have none.... up to what point? If they NEVER HAD IT, should we GIVE it too them???
when does compasionate giving stop and greedy taking start?

Just wondering out loud again....

[Annie]

You will notice that not once did I say that the American flag has precedence -- but I believe it does. It is by the grace of that flag that the school exists. It is by the strength of that flag that those students are allowed to state their opinions publicly. It is by the heart of that flag that we are allowed to exercise those principles. What right does this principal have to sacrifice that grace, that strength, that heart on the altar of expediency? Why can't he be man enough to take a stand, to tell his students that there is such a thing as unacceptable behavior, that unacceptable behavior will be punished? Why can't he show a bunch of kids that sometimes, just sometimes, there are things for which a price must be paid, and that each of us must pay the price?

Oh, by the way -- it is that flag that allows us to discuss this today.

Reminds me of a quote I read not long ago...

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

[spare_change]

Well done, Annie !!!

[Annie]

Well done, Annie !!!

Thank you

[Norfolkdave]

Here here Annie, but they come to England swear alegence then blow us up, I dont know what to say except I agree with everyone here, Zif is right as is Spare, I think those who try to take something for nothing shouldnt be paid to do so, and those that brealk alegence to the country should be slung in prison and fed bread and water. But in this country Blair would release them because they would moan about their huuman rights, and to me they gave that up when they broke allegence.

[Zifnab]

Sorry, Zif --- I must disagree.

There comes a time in all things when a line must be drawn between the acceptable and the unacceptable. There comes a time when there can be no more excuses, only accountability. There comes a time when each must be held responsibile for his actions, and for his contributions to society.

This principal was faced with a very sticky situation - and he failed. He failed as a principal; he failed as an adult; and he failed as an American. Some things are inviolate.

Let's examine what he did -- he had a situation in which different racial factions were chafing against each other. He could have established a council of the competing factions to figure out how to best defuse the situation; he could have mandated a strict policy, and severely punished the offenders; he could have made racial understanding and tolerance the signal subject for his teachers. He could have set a standard of working together to solve problems; he could have been an example of adult leadership.

What did he do? He tried to cure the disease by treating the symptom. He put a band-aid on a gaping wound. He took a Chamberlain-esque approach - if we ignore the problem, if we hide the problem, maybe it will just go away.

This man failed -- he failed his school, he failed his community, and most important of all, he failed his students. The man should be fired.

You will notice that not once did I say that the American flag has precedence -- but I believe it does. It is by the grace of that flag that the school exists. It is by the strength of that flag that those students are allowed to state their opinions publicly. It is by the heart of that flag that we are allowed to exercise those principles. What right does this principal have to sacrifice that grace, that strength, that heart on the altar of expediency? Why can't he be man enough to take a stand, to tell his students that there is such a thing as unacceptable behavior, that unacceptable behavior will be punished? Why can't he show a bunch of kids that sometimes, just sometimes, there are things for which a price must be paid, and that each of us must pay the price?

Oh, by the way -- it is that flag that allows us to discuss this today.I did NOT say he did the RIGHT thing, my point is the society in which we live has made that the SAFEST alternative for him and the school. It is disgracefull yes, but it ids that option or suffer total crucifiction.... He had other choices, he woosed out. He played it safe..... HE DID WHAT OUR SOCIETY HAS SAID IS BEST!!! Avoidance never cures, but it keeps the hounds of hell off your throat for another day.
I am not disagreeing with your points at all, infact the point I am taking is a direct RESULT OF what you are saying!

The system is broken. And we need to fix it.
Not just talk about it.. but take part in fixing it.of the people should become a reality once again.....

[spare_change]

For those who asked --- this is the high school.

http://skylinefalcons.org/index.html

The person responsible for making the decision was Principal Tom Stumpf

http://skylinefalcons.org/administration.html

[Zpanther]

Reminds me of a quote I read not long ago...



Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907 "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.


There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."




Well said Teddy!

[Trev]

For those who asked --- this is the high school.

http://skylinefalcons.org/index.html

The person responsible for making the decision was Principal Tom Stumpf

http://skylinefalcons.org/administration.html

When you look at the site, what do you see? An American flag flying in the wind.

[Barkiss]

When you look at the site, what do you see? An American flag flying in the wind.

And there is a math teacher that is pretty hot!

[italian_princess0420]

what is this world commin to? I mean now pretty soon there is gona be a dress code outside your home...what, no more stomachs showing...PDA is inforced, no thongs will be shown...come on people.:spbx:

[Jy]

...I have no response to that, Princess...what is this world commin to? I mean now pretty soon there is gona be a dress code outside your home...what, no more stomachs showing...PDA is inforced, no thongs will be shown...come on people.:spbx:

[Annie]

what is this world commin to? I mean now pretty soon there is gona be a dress code outside your home...what, no more stomachs showing...PDA is inforced, no thongs will be shown...come on people.:spbx:

Oh sweetie there is one! I ran naked through Halas Hall when the Bears were coming out to practice and well, the Lake Forest Police weren't too impressed! Outside your home the dress code everywhere (unless it is posted otherwise) is you must be dressed and it must cover your ass and your boobs!

[Wet Beaver]

i am just going to throw this in....

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5383

it might shead some light on the subject....

[italian_princess0420]

so what yall are sayin is yall dont think what i said is wrong? i mean that the world is now being forced into what high schools are doin right now. Maybe in a few years we cant go around holding hands w/our husbands or wives. Kissing will be banned from the public view. tank tops and bathing suits will be benned. thongs will be non existant, and all females will have to wear granny panties. Do we wanna live in this type of world, where everyone looks the same? we might as well take on the saudi arabia rules. Like any of us want that. This world is soooooooo f***ed up its not even funny. Yeah i can see the point of having some type of clothes on when you go to wal mart and other places. But pretty soon we are goin to be told what we can and cant do w/our clothes. At school they made us tuck in our shirts so no one would think you have a gun...WTF, u can still hide a gun just as easy, and we had to wear name tags, so people know who we are. Im sure if people can make fack money they can make a fack high school ID's. There was NOTHIN special about those ID's tags, so Im sure someone fresh outa college who wanted to kill or somethin..i dont know...could easly make a school tag and pose as one of the kids.

[Annie]

I don't want to burst your bubble, but welcome to the adult world! Everything you expressed is expected when you go to work everyday. Most companies expect you to tuck your shirt in, don't show any PDA's, no tank tops, and yes, in a few places like your local WalMart want you to all look alike! How many other places do you know of where they expect... no, demand that you wear a uniform? As far as the ID goes, this is proof that you belong there, do you want strangers wandering through your school? How about a young looking adult who is looking for a way to do harm to you? Even my 11 year old son has a school ID that he wears. I have had many jobs where I had to wear an ID, my proof I worked there. This is all part of the real world! Welcome to it!

Oh and by the way, do you want to wonder if the person in the desk next to has a gun? I sure don't! So anything at all that they need to do to protect you and make your school safe should not be so much of problem for the few hours you there in their care! I would hope that these measures would make you feel safer in what could be, a very unsafe place to be. I will never, ever forget Columbine!

so what yall are sayin is yall dont think what i said is wrong? i mean that the world is now being forced into what high schools are doin right now. Maybe in a few years we cant go around holding hands w/our husbands or wives. Kissing will be banned from the public view. tank tops and bathing suits will be benned. thongs will be non existant, and all females will have to wear granny panties. Do we wanna live in this type of world, where everyone looks the same? we might as well take on the saudi arabia rules. Like any of us want that. This world is soooooooo f***ed up its not even funny. Yeah i can see the point of having some type of clothes on when you go to wal mart and other places. But pretty soon we are goin to be told what we can and cant do w/our clothes. At school they made us tuck in our shirts so no one would think you have a gun...WTF, u can still hide a gun just as easy, and we had to wear name tags, so people know who we are. Im sure if people can make fack money they can make a fack high school ID's. There was NOTHIN special about those ID's tags, so Im sure someone fresh outa college who wanted to kill or somethin..i dont know...could easly make a school tag and pose as one of the kids.

[italian_princess0420]

yeah true to all of that...but i meant just as "walkin down a path or in a park"..i know schools and work is a good thing, but when they start doin no PDA and banning tank tops and 2 peace bathing suits when you are in your back yard or just a strole at the park...then the world has come into a bad misunderstanding

[flamengo130]

worked for the U.S. govt for alot of years. retired military. seems to me the whole colorado thing was about middle school kids waving mexico flags. tough to "pledge allegiance" love the idea of the AMERICAN flags, and support you

[flamengo130]

since i've been drinking a little....where did this thread get off on wearing yer underwear in public?

[tess]

Dave, I learned a long time ago that if you do nothing long enough, pretty soon doing anything is too much.

We have created generations of people who believe they are entitled to everything, and should have to work for nothing. Nobody goes to work unless they HAVE to. Hell, I don't like working either -- I just ain't figured out somebody to give it to me.
i agree with you Spare Change

[Wet Beaver]

spare...what is going on in colordo??

http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_094003340.html

[Jy]

I was wondering that myself...since i've been drinking a little....where did this thread get off on wearing yer underwear in public?

[Wet Beaver]

I was wondering that myself...



just another thread that went down the bunny trail.....

[Annie]

since i've been drinking a little....where did this thread get off on wearing yer underwear in public?

Hell if I know, but it does sound like fun!

[spare_change]

The final update ---

The flags were delivered to Skyline High School yesterday afternoon by the local Boy Scout troop. They marched to the school, and were met at the gate by school security -- the vice principal (a lady) came out and accepted the flags, said all the non-offensive, politically correct things and scurried back into the school.

There was a small crowd (75-100) there, and they cheered the Boy Scouts the whole way. I'm guessing most of them were the Boy Scout's parents.

What amazes me is the lack of reaction in the Denver area -- there has been almost no local publicity, and while some politicians sound like Rodney King (Can't we all just get along?), there has only been a few with the balls to come down squarely against the principal. The governor, on the other hand, has been very explicit in his opinion, an d is not pleased.

It is my understanding that, coincidentally, the principal's contractis up for review this summer -- we intend to make ourselves available, and heard, at that school board meeting.

[tiger50]

well done spare... u have my respect for making a stand.... look forward to what happens at that board meeting... :wa:

[Cotties]

Yes, MOM...what ever you sayI don't want to burst your bubble, but welcome to the adult world! Everything you expressed is expected when you go to work everyday. Most companies expect you to tuck your shirt in, don't show any PDA's, no tank tops, and yes, in a few places like your local WalMart want you to all look alike! How many other places do you know of where they expect... no, demand that you wear a uniform? As far as the ID goes, this is proof that you belong there, do you want strangers wandering through your school? How about a young looking adult who is looking for a way to do harm to you? Even my 11 year old son has a school ID that he wears. I have had many jobs where I had to wear an ID, my proof I worked there. This is all part of the real world! Welcome to it!

Oh and by the way, do you want to wonder if the person in the desk next to has a gun? I sure don't! So anything at all that they need to do to protect you and make your school safe should not be so much of problem for the few hours you there in their care! I would hope that these measures would make you feel safer in what could be, a very unsafe place to be. I will never, ever forget Columbine!

[Cotties]

"The final update!" We don't get to hear what you plan on doing at the next school board meeting or what the outcome is.


I love a trouble maker.......well done Spare. Some things are worth makng a little trouble over.
The final update ---

The flags were delivered to Skyline High School yesterday afternoon by the local Boy Scout troop. They marched to the school, and were met at the gate by school security -- the vice principal (a lady) came out and accepted the flags, said all the non-offensive, politically correct things and scurried back into the school.

There was a small crowd (75-100) there, and they cheered the Boy Scouts the whole way. I'm guessing most of them were the Boy Scout's parents.

What amazes me is the lack of reaction in the Denver area -- there has been almost no local publicity, and while some politicians sound like Rodney King (Can't we all just get along?), there has only been a few with the balls to come down squarely against the principal. The governor, on the other hand, has been very explicit in his opinion, an d is not pleased.

It is my understanding that, coincidentally, the principal's contractis up for review this summer -- we intend to make ourselves available, and heard, at that school board meeting.

[MCat]

I totally agree with Mr Roosevelt. I can't stand going to my local bank and being greeted by someone who can't speak english well enough for me to understand them. If you're gonna live and work here, then speak the language.



Reminds me of a quote I read not long ago...





Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.



There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

[tiger50]

I totally agree with Mr Roosevelt. I can't stand going to my local bank and being greeted by someone who can't speak english well enough for me to understand them. If you're gonna live and work here, then speak the language.

good call mc... one of my favourite hates... lol he cold callers that i cant understand i just put tha fone down an walk away... just let em rattle on till they finally figure no-one iz listenin..lol nasty huh???:D

[Sandy]

actually i like that tiger i usually just hang up, have to try that one. lol.

nicely done spare.













good call mc... one of my favourite hates... lol he cold callers that i cant understand i just put tha fone down an walk away... just let em rattle on till they finally figure no-one iz listenin..lol nasty huh???:D

[upstr84u]

and get this over in china -- road signs are in two langauges -- english & chinese -- english in bold & on top // bottom of sign says -- learn it and compete with the world -

[spare_change]

Ok -- the final, final update (with more to come)

The Attorney General ruled today that a little known law, published in 1917, that states that the right to display the American flag shall not be infringed. The school district has been advised to withdraw the ban.

However, in this era, they chose to extend this right to display of ANY flag. As always, the school has a right to punish kids for bad behavior, but not for just showing a flag.

It's a victory -- sort of.

[tiger50]

Ok -- the final, final update (with more to come)

The Attorney General ruled today that a little known law, published in 1917, that states that the right to display the American flag shall not be infringed. The school district has been advised to withdraw the ban.

However, in this era, they chose to extend this right to display of ANY flag. As always, the school has a right to punish kids for bad behavior, but not for just showing a flag.

It's a victory -- sort of.

way cool, go fa it mate, make tha wankers eat it... no milk or shugga.. :D

[Annie]

Ok -- the final, final update (with more to come)

The Attorney General ruled today that a little known law, published in 1917, that states that the right to display the American flag shall not be infringed. The school district has been advised to withdraw the ban.

However, in this era, they chose to extend this right to display of ANY flag. As always, the school has a right to punish kids for bad behavior, but not for just showing a flag.

It's a victory -- sort of.

Interesting. We have a few homeowners associations nearby that do not allow the American flag or any other flag to be placed in one's own front lawn. In a recent case a military wife was being fined $100.00 per day for every day she refused to take it down. Her neighbors took up a collection to help her pay for it but when the association fines became too great the neighbors decided to put flags in every yard. The association finally changed the rule but not before that woman and her neighbors had shelled out a hefty price. By the way, she had promissed her husband that she wouln't take it down until he came home from Iraq.

[spare_change]

Interesting. We have a few homeowners associations nearby that do not allow the American flag or any other flag to be placed in one's own front lawn. In a recent case a military wife was being fined $100.00 per day for every day she refused to take it down. Her neighbors took up a collection to help her pay for it but when the association fines became too great the neighbors decided to put flags in every yard. The association finally changed the rule but not before that woman and her neighbors had shelled out a hefty price. By the way, she had promissed her husband that she wouln't take it down until he came home from Iraq.

Wish I had known, Annie -- I would have paid the fine personally. A small price to pay .....

[Norfolkdave]

Interesting. We have a few homeowners associations nearby that do not allow the American flag or any other flag to be placed in one's own front lawn. In a recent case a military wife was being fined $100.00 per day for every day she refused to take it down. Her neighbors took up a collection to help her pay for it but when the association fines became too great the neighbors decided to put flags in every yard. The association finally changed the rule but not before that woman and her neighbors had shelled out a hefty price. By the way, she had promissed her husband that she wouln't take it down until he came home from Iraq.

There are some different laws in the states that wouldnt done me any good the flag would have stayed and stayed and the association would have got a piece of my mind I tell you, and I would have told them where to stick the money, bloody cheek.:wa:

[Rainmaker]

:55


you have gained my respect!!!

would have loved to have been there when those flags were delivered.

[Norfolkdave]

:55


you have gained my respect!!!

would have loved to have been there when those flags were delivered.

So would i, and I would have put them all up in my garden on one pole and shoved the canes right up the associations rep where the sun dont shine and gladly gone to prison over it.:D

[SirFox]

I totally agree with Mr Roosevelt. I can't stand going to my local bank and being greeted by someone who can't speak english well enough for me to understand them. If you're gonna live and work here, then speak the language.

This brings up a point which seems to be foreign to many immigrants: the idea of assimiliation in a new country. Here in Europe we have mucho problems with immigrants who DO NOT speak the language of the country to which they have immigrated.

You may have heard of the troubles here in France, in England, in Germany, even in Italy and Switzerland of people who raising havoc. They bring with them their ways, their cultures, and their languages. They also bring new behaviour which is unknown here.

It seems to me that when I go to a bank in the United States or here in Europe, I would like to be greeted not by a robot who talks to me from 2000 miles away or a person who doesn't understand me.
It seems perfectly NORMAL that when I am dealing with a local government administration, I should do it in the language of the country.

Is it a stupoid question to ask whether you find it normal that in the States people are able to pass their drivers licenses in Spanish when most signs are in English? There are parts of cities in Spain and in Austria where the signs are made in languages foreign to Spanish and or German or even French.

With the creation of the EU, packaging is needed in each of the EU languages. Should the British set up driving exams in German? I do not think so. Should Albanian be utilised in Italy for dealing with the administration handling social security matters? Should Arabic be used in the signs that we see at McDonald's such as "Wet Floor"?

We have to come to terms with the new immigration, but we also have to set up criteria in each of our countries to handle these new people.

[Cotties]

I don't want quote anyone but I have heard a couple of rash comments about people immagrating and not speaking a fluent language in the local tongue.

I have left Australia and have had to learn a tonal language in south east asia. Its really is hard. After 7 years people[the natives] still say in their own language "why don't I speak this language perfect and I should go back from where I came" why should I worry about their lack of understanding. I'm needed in this country, I work six days a week and pay tax and I'm truelly sorry I don't speak better and make their life a little easier.

What time frame do you give these people to get to your standard before you stop talking down to them?
How do they go to study or work if they can't sit for an exam in their native tongue to get a driving license?

Its different whens the shoes on the other foot.
I'm embarrassed about how I use to feel about immagrants.

[spare_change]

I don't want quote anyone but I have heard a couple of rash comments about people immagrating and not speaking a fluent language in the local tongue.

I have left Australia and have had to learn a tonal language in south east asia. Its really is hard. After 7 years people[the natives] still say in their own language "why don't I speak this language perfect and I should go back from where I came" why should I worry about their lack of understanding. I'm needed in this country, I work six days a week and pay tax and I'm truelly sorry I don't speak better and make their life a little easier.

What time frame do you give these people to get to your standard before you stop talking down to them?
How do they go to study or work if they can't sit for an exam in their native tongue to get a driving license?

Its different whens the shoes on the other foot.
I'm embarrassed about how I use to feel about immagrants.

Sorry, Cotties --- your argument doesn't hold water.

Are you allowed to own property in Thailand? How is your access to medical care? Do you get paid even if you don't work? Did you enter the country illegally? Are you a lawbreaker? Are your kids considered equal to native kids? (I'm well aware of the prejudice against 'non-pure' kids - kids of mixed race) Do you send all your money back to Australia? Do you not pay taxes, so that you can avoid being discovered? Do you get the privileges off all citizens?

We aren't talking about immigrants -- we are talking about criminals who suck the life out of our medical and social systems, and then have the audacity to demand -- DEMAND -- that we recognize them as citizens.

[Cotties]

It doesn't hold water! Are you agreeing with the people who look down on me? I hope not. Illegal law making immagrants are bad on a society unless they clean your house on the cheap. It goes on here too. I was refering to a comment made in relation to people who work in local banks and other respectable businesses. Sorry, Cotties --- your argument doesn't hold water.

Are you allowed to own property in Thailand? How is your access to medical care? Do you get paid even if you don't work? Did you enter the country illegally? Are you a lawbreaker? Are your kids considered equal to native kids? (I'm well aware of the prejudice against 'non-pure' kids - kids of mixed race) Do you send all your money back to Australia? Do you not pay taxes, so that you can avoid being discovered? Do you get the privileges off all citizens?

We aren't talking about immigrants -- we are talking about criminals who suck the life out of our medical and social systems, and then have the audacity to demand -- DEMAND -- that we recognize them as citizens.

[spare_change]

It doesn't hold water! Are you agreeing with the people who look down on me? I hope not. Illegal law making immagrants are bad on a society unless they clean your house on the cheap. It goes on here too. I was refering to a comment made in relation to people who work in local banks and other respectable businesses.

i'm not agreeing with people -- I am merely pointing out that your situation hardly is the same as the illegal immigrants coming into the US.

[Cotties]

I kinda wish you had disagreed with me. We could have had ourselves a debate.

I'll go look somewhere else for some action.

i'm not agreeing with people -- I am merely pointing out that your situation hardly is the same as the illegal immigrants coming into the US.

[spare_change]

I kinda wish you had disagreed with me. We could have had ourselves a debate.

I'll go look somewhere else for some action.

Sure -- now that we agree you were wrong, there's not much reason to debate!

[Zpanther]

hmmmmm...... Cotties, what country are you a citizen of? Do you consider yourself Australian, or Thai?

Personally I could care less what an American's race or ethnic background is as long as they came here legally. There is NO excuse for sneaking in illegally and expecting to be treated like a citizen. I've visited and even lived in several other countries. I have no interest in being a citizen of any country except for the US. I also think it's fine to be aware of your family history..... but frankly either you're an American or you're not. I don't have a lot of time for people who insist on being Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Afro-Americans, British-Americans, Chinese-Americans, German-Americans, Mexican-Americans or whatever........ If the 'old country' was so great you or your ancestors would still be there. Learn to speak our language and don't expect us to adjust our lives to your customs, or go back to the 'old country' where you or your ancestors came from.

[Cotties]

I have to go do something more productive guys[play sport]. sorry Z.P ...I shall respond sooooon.

I should get a few more responses from others. I wonder if anyone will see where I'm coming from. because i'm not sure .... my war cry...long live the king

what about a policy......free money for all illegal immagrants:D and chicks too

[Zifnab]

I am tired.....give me your tired masses yearning to breathe free
free from the smothering suffocation of our own political suicide....
support the needs and rights of all those that are not your citizens and FUCKALL those that are cause they don't matter....

[gnikeht]

Agree...



And there is a math teacher that is pretty hot!

[G...G]

Ya'll are too much...........LOL

[Zpanther]

Hey CountryGirl. What are you doing still up this time of night?

[tiger50]

hey gal wats doin??? is this late night in the us, wat u all doin still up???

[G...G]

Too much tequila........... LOL

[Zpanther]

oh NO...... and you said you were going to lose your clothes too. Hope you threw the table cloth you came home in away..... Gotta destroy the evidence babe.

[G...G]

I lost my clothes in the woods.........

[Zpanther]

hahahahahahaha....... I knew it. Damn! I wish this beamer was fixed. I'd beam myself to Georgia for a couple of hours.

[G...G]

LOL......... Someone found them and brought them back too me

[tiger50]

I lost my clothes in the woods.........

ere put me coat on..i'll look fa ya clothes... :whee: :lmao

[G...G]

No need for coat......... it's reaaalllly warm out

[tiger50]

No need for coat......... it's reaaalllly warm out

mmm no goose bumps??? ang on i'll check... :whee:

[G...G]

No goose bumps........ glad someone brought me my clothes back

[Zpanther]

LOL......... Someone found them and brought them back too me

Yeah right! I don't believe that. (You're too used to posting on the lying thread). You're naked in the middle of the night, and feelin' pretty good with all that tiquila. How the hell didja manage to get home without getting into trouble?

heh heh.......

[G...G]

Never left...... had a house full of teenagers....... bonfire..... LOL got them to sleep and here I am...... I may go back out to the woods later, think I left a friend out there.......LOL

[Zpanther]

Never left...... had a house full of teenagers....... bonfire..... LOL got them to sleep and here I am...... I may go back out to the woods later, think I left a friend out there.......LOL

hahahahahhaa........ carful honey. You might get into trouble yet.

[G...G]

Thats what I'm trying to do.......... He just won't come out!!!!

[tiger50]

Thats what I'm trying to do.......... He just won't come out!!!!

surplize... here i am... :whee: :lmao

[G...G]

Glad you could make it Tiger

[tiger50]

Glad you could make it Tiger

put ya clothes on gal shittt, now wheres the free tequila???? :whee: :kk :lmao

[G...G]

It's all gone......... LOL I think the boys drank it while I was on the computer.......LOL

[Zpanther]

Damn Tiger. That's a waste of a good 'beamer'. They got tiquila in Oz! CountryGirl needs a friend...... so help her out.

[tiger50]

Damn Tiger. That's a waste of a good 'beamer'. They got tiquila in Oz! CountryGirl needs a friend...... so help her out.

lol kk on me way over, wif a flagon a woubla..lol...:whee:

[G...G]

Tiger........ don't want to take your virginity now.......

[tiger50]

Tiger........ don't want to take your virginity now.......

phew.. cool, u drink the woubla, i'll watch... :D

[G...G]

Yeah you be sure all you do is watch

[tiger50]

Yeah you be sure all you do is watch

yeh heyyy u can trust me..... am a born voyeur... :D

[tiger50]

did u like the woubla??? cool booze huh??? :whee:

[Zpanther]

Yeah you be sure all you do is watch

uh..... I'm confused. Who's he gonna watch? Okay...... I think I got this beamer fixed. Be right there. He can watch us I guess.

[tiger50]

uh..... I'm confused. Who's he gonna watch? Okay...... I think I got this beamer fixed. Be right there. He can watch us I guess.

yeh a coupla woublas each, then the firewerks start.... wowwwww awwww fark... :D

[Sandy]

well i am italian american, and damn proud of it. they are both my home, i'm not going to give up my roots from either side, like i said my mother busted her ass to become a citizen. which is great. i'm also a army brat so i have lived in several differnt countries also. america is home. i wish the us would change their laws. they need to weed out the ones who come here looking for hand-outs, and leave the ones who are willing to work and become citizens, until that is done, i don't see much changing. we also need to clean up our backyard and take care of our people first. i know we have people who are poor, homeless, and hungry, but given half a chance would leap at work, but our govt is to busy taking care of other countries to notice. :spbx:













hmmmmm...... Cotties, what country are you a citizen of? Do you consider yourself Australian, or Thai?

Personally I could care less what an American's race or ethnic background is as long as they came here legally. There is NO excuse for sneaking in illegally and expecting to be treated like a citizen. I've visited and even lived in several other countries. I have no interest in being a citizen of any country except for the US. I also think it's fine to be aware of your family history..... but frankly either you're an American or you're not. I don't have a lot of time for people who insist on being Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Afro-Americans, British-Americans, Chinese-Americans, German-Americans, Mexican-Americans or whatever........ If the 'old country' was so great you or your ancestors would still be there. Learn to speak our language and don't expect us to adjust our lives to your customs, or go back to the 'old country' where you or your ancestors came from.

[tiger50]

well i am italian american, and damn proud of it. they are both my home, i'm not going to give up my roots from either side, like i said my mother busted her ass to become a citizen. which is great. i'm also a army brat so i have lived in several differnt countries also. america is home. i wish the us would change their laws. they need to weed out the ones who come here looking for hand-outs, and leave the ones who are willing to work and become citizens, until that is done, i don't see much changing. we also need to clean up our backyard and take care of our people first. i know we have people who are poor, homeless, and hungry, but given half a chance would leap at work, but our govt is to busy taking care of other countries to notice. :spbx:

mmmm interestin, i grew up in an age where we had massive immigration from italy an greece... to us they were wogs... everyone hated them.. but they did form their own societies which still live today... but they worked hard, they didnt ask for handouts, they changed our society, but for the better, we have pizza shops now.. there are now 2nd an 3rd generation italians and greeks who are just as ozzie as i am... they assimilated, and they also kept their traditions, the 2 dont necessarily have to conflict.... to be invited to eat with a greek or italian family is just fukkin good... have worked with them... ate with them and love em... they adopted us as we did them... nowdays the term wog is one of endearment... they worked and assimilated, thats all we ask of any immigrants, kk soapbox over... :D :wa:

[Norfolkdave]

well i am italian american, and damn proud of it. they are both my home, i'm not going to give up my roots from either side, like i said my mother busted her ass to become a citizen. which is great. i'm also a army brat so i have lived in several differnt countries also. america is home. i wish the us would change their laws. they need to weed out the ones who come here looking for hand-outs, and leave the ones who are willing to work and become citizens, until that is done, i don't see much changing. we also need to clean up our backyard and take care of our people first. i know we have people who are poor, homeless, and hungry, but given half a chance would leap at work, but our govt is to busy taking care of other countries to notice. :spbx:

Here here sandy, this country wants to change too, were getting gypsies and everyone else because of free housing and NHS and benefit handouts, its about time the government of this country woke up for these beggars also steal from us and violate the laws and kill people and then get stupid sentances.I agree 100% with you, as its happening here to, Charity begins at home.:spbx:

[SirFox]

The problem David, Sandy and Tiger, is what to do with people who emigrate to countries of adoption are allowed to live and work peacefully in these countries and REFUSE to work honestly, learn a mininum of language and do what the indigenous populations do....

If in a country of adoption, screwing is allowed only on Mondays to Fridays, (while the newbies do it everyday and every night...the lucky ones), then those people who come here should not protest that it is allowed only on Mondays to Fridays, and not on on Saturdays and Sundays.
They should conform and find a way to curb their urges, by George!

The people who arrive in the UK and who only want to benefit from handouts that the UK Government gives newbies (look at all the people waiting to climb the trains or the boats to flee from France to Britain), then let them work and learn to become Brits and contribute to society. That includes learning to have English tea at 4 or 5 pm and eating fish and chips.

Realising that it isn't always easy for everyone because of our distinctive differences, we cannot continue to give and give and give without receiving....

No society, as modern as it can be or as basic as it is, can accept that newbies arrive without some form of control and do not assimiliate themselves into that society.
Those societies will ultimately die as history has shown over and over.

[Sandy]

well all i know is, we need to take care of our own, instead of everybody else. we have people starving here, and living on the streets. the govt. needs to get its thumb out of its ass, and start working on the problems here at home.

[SirFox]

well all i know is, we need to take care of our own, instead of everybody else. we have people starving here, and living on the streets. the govt. needs to get its thumb out of its ass, and start working on the problems here at home.

Sandy: I disagree with you. WE all wish that MOM and DAD in the form of THE GOVERNMENT do the work for us. Look at what the French have in the forms of a mess because they all depend upon THE GOVERNMENT.

We must first ELECT honest people to represent us. We then must keep a tab on them, and, if we have ideas like you have, we must act, not react.

[Sandy]

well the problem is, i don't think there are honest people in the govt. they say what they want you to hear. then do what they want. :(

[Norfolkdave]

The people who arrive in the UK and who only want to benefit from handouts that the UK Government gives newbies (look at all the people waiting to climb the trains or the boats to flee from France to Britain), then let them work and learn to become Brits and contribute to society.

Yes ok I agree with this, but what about the hundreds who arrive daily to be limpets of society. I used to be a landscape gardener and worked long hours, self employed, no holidays, then we had limpets, then we had a government who offered, if you didnt accept the 3rd job you had no unemployment bebnefit etc etc. Tony Bloody B;air came to power and what have we now, yob rule, and Human bloody rights brigade, and people coming from abroad to have free housing etc and benifits, and if they try to push them back they either bloodt bomb us or state human rights. My grandad didnt fight for evil bastards like this, and I didnt work to support them either. The so called do gooders of britiish socirty have fucked this country up, Im sorry but they have, dont say to me we should let people in, no we shouldnt, the only people who should be allowed to work in this country I feel are professionals, we should adopt the same as Australia, they should be tradesman or women and professionals. No certificate no work no free houses no bloody benifit. I cant see the french or Germans doing it so dont send them to Britain....I rest my case.:spbx:

[SirFox]

Of seeing how GOVERNMENTS are unable to administer themselves, do not do anything to SOLVE the REAL problems at hand.... Over and over, government after government...who really handles the REAL PROBLEMS and solves them?

Anyone tell me a country who listens to the problems of today.
I would say that there is no country because politicians are busy filling their pockets before their asses are kicked.

[Penny]

Should have had the boy scouts line the road up to the school with the flags. I'm not a big political person but many people died for that flag and this country and a school or any public place in THIS country that refuses to fly it should be closed down. If flying the American flag in America causes a riot so be it. Time to find out who is against it. Any politicain that aggrees with not being able to fly the American Flag in America should be removed from office immediatly. I'm not big on the war in Iraq but I think its disgusting that the troops over there arent allowed to fly our flag. They are good enough to die for it so long as they keep them hidden away from the people shooting at them :(

[Sunfiresix]

My feelings all the way Penny, Bravo..

[SirFox]

My feelings all the way Penny, Bravo..

Penny: You are absolutely CORRECT. A country that refuses to show the flag, the symbol of a country and its people is a country that needs shaking up.

You know that the European Union has a flag? Most countries love to hide behind it so that they themselves do not have to show their colours. On the other hand, in Europe, because people have done so many things in the name of the flag, we simply do not have such an endearing love of the banner as people have. I remember saluting the flag and praying in public high school in the 1970s.That is foreign over here.

History is largely responsible for this. The Franco-Prussian War was waged for stupid reasons of grandeur, World War I...millions died because of stupid men who could not get rid of their reactionary, and colonial minds. More millions perished during World War II for the banners of different nations, soiled or not.