Why?

[wan2b]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?
I wrote this to get a response from the group. I don't believe what I wrote. I got a nice response, thank you.
Believe me I want to be your friend.

[Tempest]

Because our asses look better in them?

[hazeleyes5]

Because our asses look better in them?


i beg to differ tempest.....your asses look better out of the pants....no doubts.........

[wan2b]

either way your asses look good

[Shawn]

Nothing to say... just wanted to mark this one for later... can not WAIT to eat the popcorn.

[neil48]

Yeah I was thinking popcorn time also when I read the thread,........ok, sitting down and popcorn in hand..........continue on.

[SunnyD]

What? Are you trying to say that you think a person needs to be able to pee standing up to be the decision maker?

Why to women try to wear the pants in the family?

[Charmed]

Why to women try to wear the pants in the family?

Why do men think they have to wear them?

[Shawn]

What? Are you trying to say that you think a person needs to be able to pee standing up to be the decision maker?

Yeah I think thats what he is sayin... Get em! :nu

[Shawn]

Why do men think they have to wear them?

In his defense ... we do get one helluva ribbing when we toss on the skirt

[SunnyD]

Yeah I think thats what he is sayin... Get em! :nu

Yeah well I'm getting a strong sense just by the name he chose why someone in his house thinks she needs to be.

[Charmed]

In his defense ... we do get one helluva ribbing when we toss on the skirt

Ha! Since he didn't answer his own question I'm guessing he has gotten used to the ribbing.

[SunnyD]

Ha! Since he didn't answer his own question I'm guessing he has gotten used to the ribbing.

Well to enter a flirting site and lead out with a question like this I'm thinking it might be the men he wanted to impress anyways! Or he came from a very small gene pool, lol!

[cherri]

Not all women try to wear the pants in the family.
I was raised, the man is the man. But I also figure that he married me to be his equal. His partner, that if he couldn't do something, he could count on me to do it. If he needed an un-biased opinion, or the truth about something, he could count on me to give it. But yet, he knows I would be strong enough to have his back, not allowing his family, friends, or colleagues put him down in any form or fashion. Strong enough to protect the kids, the house, and everthing he holds of value while he works nights. Loving him enough to take care of all that we have together. He knows that I'm his partner, and I only argue over things that really matter. I don't pick fights with him or undermine his authority, I have to much respect for him to do that. I love him to much to back down when I know he's sick, and isn't taking care of himself. I need him to be just as strong. I don't plan on being an obstacle in his path, I just want to be the one who helped him get to where he wanted to be. I pick and choose my battles wisely! Giving in, only when I need to, but standing my ground when I have to. I don't think he married me so he could have someone to push around and boss. Or someone who would cave in to his every whim. He values me because I don't baby him. I treat him like a man. I'm not an employee, I don't take orders. I'm there to help him. If he was hurt, sick, or dying, he knows I would be there for him. I would be the only one who would take care of him. His Mom is done raising him. He married someone who loved him and wanted to be his partner in everything. Ultimately looking out for the best interest of all of us, as a family! I don't want to be his boss and bark orders at him. I only ask him to do things to help me take care of all that we have. I can't do it alone, I need him. Together we can do it.

[Charmed]

Well to enter a flirting site and lead out with a question like this I'm thinking it might be the men he wanted to impress anyways! Or he came from a very small gene pool, lol!

I was thinking if he keeps asking questions like that the only thing he is gonna be playing is pocket pool. :lmao

[neil48]

Poor wan, wish he was here to enjoy this.

oh, and welcome to the site Wan

[redcat]

Not all women try to wear the pants in the family.
I was raised, the man is the man. But I also figure that he married me to be his equal. His partner, that if he couldn't do something, he could count on me to do it. If he needed an un-biased opinion, or the truth about something, he could count on me to give it. But yet, he knows I would be strong enough to have his back, not allowing his family, friends, or colleagues put him down in any form or fashion. Strong enough to protect the kids, the house, and everthing he holds of value while he works nights. Loving him enough to take care of all that we have together. He knows that I'm his partner, and I only argue over things that really matter. I don't pick fights with him or undermine his authority, I have to much respect for him to do that. I love him to much to back down when I know he's sick, and isn't taking care of himself. I need him to be just as strong. I don't plan on being an obstacle in his path, I just want to be the one who helped him get to where he wanted to be. I pick and choose my battles wisely! Giving in, only when I need to, but standing my ground when I have to. I don't think he married me so he could have someone to push around and boss. Or someone who would cave in to his every whim. He values me because I don't baby him. I treat him like a man. I'm not an employee, I don't take orders. I'm there to help him. If he was hurt, sick, or dying, he knows I would be there for him. I would be the only one who would take care of him. His Mom is done raising him. He married someone who loved him and wanted to be his partner in everything. Ultimately looking out for the best interest of all of us, as a family! I don't want to be his boss and bark orders at him. I only ask him to do things to help me take care of all that we have. I can't do it alone, I need him. Together we can do it.


That sounds good on the surface, cherri. Wouldn't it be nice if relationships could truly be that way? Ideally, maybe...but life happens and we lose sight of some of it, at least. Course, if we managed to keep it like that, would we be here?

[redcat]

Welcome to the site, wan. Your wife wears the pants, yet you want to? Maybe you should steal them back when she sleeps. lol

[Yankee]

Anybody seen my pants?

[jmsmith12345]

Why to women try to wear the pants in the family?

...because we men are immature, irresponsible, skirt chasing assholes...oops, sorry fellas, but I didn't think that was any real secret

[jmsmith12345]

In his defense ... we do get one helluva ribbing when we toss on the skirt

hey now, I look damned sexy in my kilt!!!

[Yankee]

hey now, I look damned sexy in my kilt!!!

It DOES provide for a sense of freedom and a broader range of motion . . . 'specially when I go pantyless.

[Under the radar]

And I thought I started some dumb threads. OK I do. But I'll take a back seat to this one. And keep my mouth shut. sorta. :pc

[Under the radar]

I think I look fine in my skirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could use a couple pockets.

[Tndream]

Anybody seen my pants?

Fav prolly hid em from ya, so she could take my floggy thingy and spank ya.

[Tndream]

I think I look fine in my skirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could use a couple pockets.

Yes Radar, you look hott in that skirt, so much so I am having a hard time restraining myself

[Charmed]

SnOrT!!!!!!!!!! No No............ c'mon in lets watch MR. Smart Pants get himself out of this mess. :lmao

And I thought I started some dumb threads. OK I do. But I'll take a back seat to this one. And keep my mouth shut. sorta. :pc

[Yankee]

I still can't locate my trousers.

[Charmed]

Anybody seen my pants?

I'm wearing 'em :)

[Yankee]

Then gimme the skirt . . . and the panties . . . you're NOT?!?!?!?

[Charmed]

Freak! Now you wanna wear my panties?

[Charmed]

Fav prolly hid em from ya, so she could take my floggy thingy and spank ya.

Tinny I think you need to use your floggy thing on the owner of this thread.. :)

[Yankee]

Freak! Now you wanna wear my panties?

I don't think it's freaky to wanna wear YOUR panties . . . I mean . . . do you have 'em ON?

[Charmed]

I don't think it's freaky to wanna wear YOUR panties . . . I mean . . . do you have 'em ON?


Ha! No panties here... You know the routine, no panties after nap time. :)

[Yankee]

Ha! No panties here... You know the routine, no panties after nap time. :)

I know the rule . . . which I can now wear 'em

Gimme.






OMG . . . I'm looking fruity again huh?

[Charmed]

as a 3 dollar bill....


I know the rule . . . which I can now wear 'em

Gimme.






OMG . . . I'm looking fruity again huh?

[Tndream]

I know the rule . . . which I can now wear 'em

Gimme.






OMG . . . I'm looking fruity again huh?


No darlin,
your looking like the whole produce section about now

[blu]

cause they think pants are cool and comfortable?

[daisyduck]

i think he is wearing chicken pants!!! bock bock, cause he cant deal

[Tndream]

OK, I done bit my tongue long enough and hard enough.
I have tried very hard not to answer, but everytime I see this, my blood starts boiling.

You know, some women don't have the choice BUT to wear the pants in the family,
especially when it takes 2 incomes just to make the rent, let alone putting food on the table and making sure the power is on to cool down the house and make things liveable so everyone isnt ripping out the others throats in the summer time.

And some women are newly seperated or divorced and have to work double time
just to feed the kids that daddy never sees or cares about because he is too busy hanging with the boys in the bar, bitching because his woman works too much, and blames her for all the misery hes in.
And it is his own damn fault for trying to be domineering and controlling bu telling her that MEN are the only ones who need to bring home the bacon.

Yeah, go ahead and bring home the bacon, just remember who is the one holding that frying pan thats gonna cook the bacon, and try real hard not to piss her off.

[SAPPHIRE]

Thank you Tin .... I couldn't have said it better .... Seems we have alot in common with everything you described right down to the frying pan .... He just seems like an angry little man to me for posting this thread and the other one about the men

[blu]

Thank you Tin .... I couldn't have said it better .... Seems we have alot in common with everything you described right down to the frying pan .... He just seems like an angry little man to me for posting this thread and the other one about the men
obviously, he doesnt speak for all men

[Danso]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?

Women test men, that's the reality of the situation. If you see that as "trying to wear the pants", you are missing the point. Women test men right from the first time the meet a man and they keep on testing forever.

If you don't know how to deal with the tests that women throw at you, you have VERY LITTLE chance of improving your success with women.

[WandaRing]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?

Maybe some (not all) men dont know how to wear the pants in the family and women HAVE to step into them to save thier family!...Just saying..:crs

[WandaRing]

A woman is like a rose
if you treat her right she'll blossom
if you don't treat her right..
she will wilt! :crs

[smilingHard]

i think almost everyone tries to wear the pants in the family at one time or another

[yaser]

A woman is like a rose
if you treat her right she'll blossom
if you don't treat her right..
she will wilt! :crs



:sc:sng

[Charmed]

Tinny I didn't see this until now let me say

SnOrT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG to funny.......

No darlin,
your looking like the whole produce section about now

[Charmed]

Oh Please explain........ Who has the popcorn?



Women test men, that's the reality of the situation. If you see that as "trying to wear the pants", you are missing the point. Women test men right from the first time the meet a man and they keep on testing forever.

If you don't know how to deal with the tests that women throw at you, you have VERY LITTLE chance of improving your success with women.

[MunkyBrain]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?

Because http://www.marriedandflirtingchat.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1605657#post1605657 ???

[leighm]

Maybe they just have too much testosterone!!......and some men don't have enough.

Wonder if he will be back, he may not after reading some of these responses.

[GypsyMag]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?
Hey Wondering Wan....

Explanation is actually simple......so poor man.....hahahaha...(Smile)....

''POOR MEN'' Note: (hahahaha)- Sorry fellow womankind in advance (http://groups.fropki.com/)

When a woman Cries ------------ The World "Consoles" her
But when a man cries ---------- They say Come on man don't be A "Woman"
If A woman slaps a man ----------- Definitely the man would have "done something"
If man Slaps a girl ------------ -- Rascal doesn't know how to "Respect women"
If a woman is talking to men----- She is "Very Friendly"
If a man talks to a woman---------- He is "flirting"
(http://groups.fropki.com/)If a woman meets with accident ------Then its "mistake of others"
If a man meets with same accident -----------"Don't you know how to Drive"

(http://groups.fropki.com/)So dear Wan….just as well Woman wear the Pants in the family ! Hahahaha

[Under the radar]

I think a lot of you are not seeing the true picture here. There is obviously only one correct answer here. We could have pissing matches all day and all night long but the truth of the matter is, if he is letting her wear his pants;

They both wear the same size pants. :ok

[OGP]

Hey, if she wants to role play and swap clothes once in awhile, thats good with me. But I will be damned if I am going outside in these pantyhose.... they bunch up in all the wrong spots!

[neil48]

Women test men, that's the reality of the situation. If you see that as "trying to wear the pants", you are missing the point. Women test men right from the first time the meet a man and they keep on testing forever.

If you don't know how to deal with the tests that women throw at you, you have VERY LITTLE chance of improving your success with women.
making more popcorn.......

[blu]

should be give and take, and shared responsibilities. anything is ok with me as long as there is respect, trust, honesty, and love. without those, to me its all gonna suck in a not good suck way anyway

[wan2b]

I take a shower every day, I plan my day and make all my decisions that is after I pee standing up in the shower.

[Under the radar]

T M I

[TBoyBob]

My wife wears the pants. I'm pretty much just there to amuse her I think.... Whatever, life goes on.

[Under the radar]

My wife wears the pants. I'm pretty much just there to amuse her I think.... Whatever, life goes on.

:nopity

[wan2b]

Not all women try to wear the pants in the family.
I was raised, the man is the man. But I also figure that he married me to be his equal. His partner, that if he couldn't do something, he could count on me to do it. If he needed an un-biased opinion, or the truth about something, he could count on me to give it. But yet, he knows I would be strong enough to have his back, not allowing his family, friends, or colleagues put him down in any form or fashion. Strong enough to protect the kids, the house, and everthing he holds of value while he works nights. Loving him enough to take care of all that we have together. He knows that I'm his partner, and I only argue over things that really matter. I don't pick fights with him or undermine his authority, I have to much respect for him to do that. I love him to much to back down when I know he's sick, and isn't taking care of himself. I need him to be just as strong. I don't plan on being an obstacle in his path, I just want to be the one who helped him get to where he wanted to be. I pick and choose my battles wisely! Giving in, only when I need to, but standing my ground when I have to. I don't think he married me so he could have someone to push around and boss. Or someone who would cave in to his every whim. He values me because I don't baby him. I treat him like a man. I'm not an employee, I don't take orders. I'm there to help him. If he was hurt, sick, or dying, he knows I would be there for him. I would be the only one who would take care of him. His Mom is done raising him. He married someone who loved him and wanted to be his partner in everything. Ultimately looking out for the best interest of all of us, as a family! I don't want to be his boss and bark orders at him. I only ask him to do things to help me take care of all that we have. I can't do it alone, I need him. Together we can do it.
I put the question to incite responses. Your response describes the marriage, that I promise, will last 60 years. You husband must have the same feeling and belief you stated so thoughtfully. Everything you say I have lived with and it does exist. I am sure your husband is in love with you and is well aware of the life you have provided to him. Manny thanks, I only wish I could explain married life as elequently as you have. Wish there were more people experiencing that married life. Wish you well.

[TBoyBob]

:nopity


:pc

[wan2b]

Maybe they just have too much testosterone!!......and some men don't have enough.

Wonder if he will be back, he may not after reading some of these responses.
I'm just new and don't know how every thing works. I put the question to the folks to incite responses. I don't agree with the post. Please read the wonderful description of married life posted by cherri, I believe post #14

[wan2b]

Please post 61. I don't know how to responed to you.

[cherri]

That sounds good on the surface, cherri. Wouldn't it be nice if relationships could truly be that way? Ideally, maybe...but life happens and we lose sight of some of it, at least. Course, if we managed to keep it like that, would we be here?


I know it sounds great; I'm not saying it is. All I was saying, is that was my mindset when I got married, how I viewed it to be, and how it was for nine years. And how in my heart I still honor that partnership. Needless to say, something happened to him, he changed. He promised to cherish me until we both grew old. The only vows he took to heart was "To have" and "To hold".
"To Have" me? I'm a prisoner, an object standing still.
"To Hold" me? Yes, he's done that too, but against my will.
I am still married to him. Therefore, I will still take care of him, and all that we have. I'm afraid to fail my children, my babies. They are the reason I stay. He can do to me what he can, they are my reason to fight to hold onto everything. I can cope; survive as long as I have them. I keep my cards to my chest and my true feelings very near. Very few people know the truth, but the reasons why are unclear. No, I couldn't keep it like that, it was too perfect to maintain. No one person can do that alone......both have to want it and work towards it. What brought me here was pure loneliness. The kind that even though somebody is there, you're still alone. So alone, in fact, that you miss the simplest things, like human contact. A hand to hold or a hug. Yes, I get that from my kids, but it's not the same. This is not how I wanted things to be, this is how it ended up. And with that, I am trying to make choices where I am not lonely, and not so miserable. I'm not a princess, so there will be no happy ending, but that doesn't mean I can't find happiness.

[cherri]

I put the question to incite responses. Your response describes the marriage, that I promise, will last 60 years. You husband must have the same feeling and belief you stated so thoughtfully. Everything you say I have lived with and it does exist. I am sure your husband is in love with you and is well aware of the life you have provided to him. Manny thanks, I only wish I could explain married life as elequently as you have. Wish there were more people experiencing that married life. Wish you well.

Well, my husband does not love me. He's made that quite clear in words and in actions. He, apparently, didn't have the same views on marriage as I did. Just read my response to Redcat. But thanks for the well wishes anyway. Oh! and thank you for the compliment on writing eloquently, I try to put feelings to words, but it's hard.

Being new, you can't reach me directly, not without making 150 posts. Try (email addy deleted), unless you're a fast typist! xoxo

[SAPPHIRE]

Sorry Cherri :( *Hugz*

[MunkyBrain]

Please post 61. I don't know how to responed to you.

WTF? Didn't you make post # 61?

Responding to your own posts is as easy as bobbing for water!!!

I'll show you...

[cyclops]

I wear the pants in my family, my wife chooses what colour I wear though

[MunkyBrain]

WTF? Didn't you make post # 61?

Responding to your own posts is as easy as bobbing for water!!!

I'll show you...

HEY!!! Munky Brain...what kind of stupid name is that anyway? Munky??? WTF, Were you dropped as akid? Who asked you for your opinion? Go back to writing about weed, fucking and acting stupid.

Oh and P.S. Fuck you and your family--You Special Olympian, faggot motherfucker!!!!

EAT SHIT AND DIE MUNKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See..easy as hell to respond to yourself. Now...you can't thank or rep yourself--Shawn won't let you.

That's probably cool, cuz otherwise I'd be giving myself red points for making a personal attack and then I'd get all pissed off at me for not recognizing satire and...were talking major existential flame war.

[MunkyBrain]

HEY!!! Munky Brain...what kind of stupid name is that anyway? Munky??? WTF, Were you dropped as akid? Who asked you for your opinion? Go back to writing about weed, fucking and acting stupid.

Oh and P.S. Fuck you and your family--You Special Olympian, faggot motherfucker!!!!

EAT SHIT AND DIE MUNKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hey buddy! Don't talk to me like that!!! I know where you live and work and WILL kick your ass!!!

Oh and one more thing...I fucked your wife!!! Hahhahahahaha!!!!!!

[Charmed]

Hey buddy! Don't talk to me like that!!! I know where you live and work and WILL kick your ass!!!

Oh and one more thing...I fucked your wife!!! Hahhahahahaha!!!!!!

OMG you are mental! You are carrying on a conversation with yourself :lmao

I swear Munky it's no wonder they won't let you out of Timbuktu...

[dixiechiknga]

It's because we have the power of the P____Y and we deserve it!

[Eagleton]

It's because we have the power of the P____Y and we deserve it!


Absolutely...we don't wear pants in our family..it is more convenient that way...pants just get in the way.

[MunkyBrain]

OMG you are mental! You are carrying on a conversation with yourself :lmao

I swear Munky it's no wonder they won't let you out of Timbuktu...

No, no, no..you got it all wrong. (As usual)

Read up a few notches..this guy was saying he didn't know how to respond to his own post...I was just showing him how.

There's a method to the madness...see???

[glamourgirl]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?

No pants here..... long legs look better in skirts....

However this question makes me wonder...."by wear the pants" are you insinuating that one needs to pee through a zipper to make intelligent decisions?
Im pretty sure we are NOT goin there in this day and age!

A man should be a man, and I like living in the shadow of my man meaning under his protection, security, and knowing that he is always "there for me", even if not in the same state or even country.

However, I still have not seen any published studies that support the "fact" that "good" decisions are gender based or require large amounts of testosterone to be made.

I live in a world where i make life and death decisions every day and the fact that i do not have a penis does not affect the outcome of those decisions....

A marriage is not a hiarchy but a partnership...each partner has strengths in different areas that they "bring to the table." Why on earth would one person make all the decisions or "wear the pants" as has been stated, especially if the decision that needs to be made is outside of "his" area of expertise?
:spbx: sorry just JMO

[stellabelle]

Because I said so dammit!

[Eagleton]

Because I said so dammit!



STELLA....that's why I love ya!:wy

[Me]

HEY!!! Munky Brain...what kind of stupid name is that anyway? Munky??? WTF, Were you dropped as akid? Who asked you for your opinion? Go back to writing about weed, fucking and acting stupid.

Oh and P.S. Fuck you and your family--You Special Olympian, faggot motherfucker!!!!

EAT SHIT AND DIE MUNKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See..easy as hell to respond to yourself. Now...you can't thank or rep yourself--Shawn won't let you.

That's probably cool, cuz otherwise I'd be giving myself red points for making a personal attack and then I'd get all pissed off at me for not recognizing satire and...were talking major existential flame war.



Hey buddy! Don't talk to me like that!!! I know where you live and work and WILL kick your ass!!!

Oh and one more thing...I fucked your wife!!! Hahhahahahaha!!!!!!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

SNORT!!!

[Me]

Why do women try to wear the pants in the family?

As very simply stated in this song ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IjmaYqlmKI

Brad Paisley ~ The Pants

Thirty-six, thirty-two, blue cut, with a skull ring
Three stained bleach spots, and a whole in the knee
You say the man inside those Levi's don't take orders
She'll just have to realize you'll do as you damn well please

You wear the pants
Buddy good for you
I'm so impressed
Yeah, whoopty-doo
You need to know
That ain't how it works
It's not who wears the pants,
It's who wears the skirt

In the top drawer, of her dresser, there's some panties
Go try on that purple pair, with lacy frill
With your big old legs, I bet you can't get in 'em
With that attitude of yours, hell, I bet you never will

But you wear the pants
Buddy good for you
I'm so impressed
Yeah, whoopty-doo
You need to know
That ain't how it works
It's not who wears the pants,
It's who wears the skirt

A big old boy like you can probably bench 350
A little thing like her can barely lift the bar
Just wait 'til that woman has a headache
And she sits there with her legs crossed
Well, we'll see how strong you are

You wear the pants
Buddy, good for you
I'm so impressed
Yeah, whoopty-doo
You need to know
That ain't how it works
It's not who wears the pants,
It's who wears the skirt

You wear the pants,
She'll wear the skirt

[redcat]

:lmao Good one, Jelly. Can't wait for Shawn to see this Monday. :D

[OGP]

I can't insert a picture here.... but this link is appropriate...

http://www.desifunny.com/upload/pictures/with_this_i_am_going_to_control_your_life-614.jpg

[happygirl101]

We wear the pants because we do it all....sorry guys most men don't...some do, but most don't!!!!

I work, clean, cook, and take care of the kids all the while maintaining peace and harmony
and try to look my best....
plus I am kick ass in the bedroom as well as our social coordinator....seriously how many men can do all that and smile at the end of the day!!!

I take the trash out and pay the bills too.........i bet if I sit here long enough I can come up with more.......

But, I love the men in my life and am happy to do it all! truly no complaints except in the bedroom...most of the time i am alone!!!....LOL

[OGP]

I'll have you know I am a wonderful cook, I do the laundry, the dishes, take out the trash, do the grocery shopping, pay the bills, spend as much time as possible with my kids.... Dang... i just realized i will make someone a great wife someday.

[OnceAKing]

Nothing to say... just wanted to mark this one for later... can not WAIT to eat the popcorn.


And I thought I was the only one who did the placemark thing...gotta get up early and stay up late to get ahead of that Shawn guy.

[Danso]

No pants here..... long legs look better in skirts....

OK, given. Though I bet they look fine in a good pair of jeans as well.


However this question makes me wonder...."by wear the pants" are you insinuating that one needs to pee through a zipper to make intelligent decisions?

I think this thread exploded a bit more than the original poster planned. But, no. I have almost no gender bias - which has gotten me into trouble in the past. Disregarding tasks which require extreme physical prowess, for which many women are less capable because of their physical build, not their gender, women are pretty much the equal, if not superior of men.


A man should be a man, and I like living in the shadow of my man meaning under his protection, security, and knowing that he is always "there for me", even if not in the same state or even country.


As it should be. Hopefully, you man also took the time to help you be strong on your own because it's just not possible for him to always be physically there for you.


However, I still have not seen any published studies that support the "fact" that "good" decisions are gender based or require large amounts of testosterone to be made.


Oh, they are out there. They are completely bogus but trust me, if you have a position that you need supported, some underfunded researcher can be found to support that position for a price.


I live in a world where i make life and death decisions every day and the fact that i do not have a penis does not affect the outcome of those decisions....

You sure about that? I don't know what you do but are you sure that, just maybe, the fact that you don't have that testosterone flowing though your body doesn't let you be a little more stable and in control at times?


A marriage is not a hiarchy but a partnership...each partner has strengths in different areas that they "bring to the table." Why on earth would one person make all the decisions or "wear the pants" as has been stated, especially if the decision that needs to be made is outside of "his" area of expertise?


I like how you think and hope you caught the irony above. But it's really hard to have an equal partnership. Many times one party just has to make a decision and, usually, over time, that will tend to be the same one. I believe that if the man cedes that position to the woman that both will be disappointed.

There's a lot of science behind this position but, basically, women test their men from the time they meet them throughout their relationship. The woman wants regular reassurance that her man is capable of protecting her and her offspring. If she feels that he has abdicated his role, she is going to be unhappy. This does not mean she's going to walk out on him, nor that she will shirk her (newly found) role as the protector/decision maker.

Some men react to this regular, constant testing by abdicating - they are tired of being tested and think that the right answer is to hand the power to her. This is almost always a bad thing for the reasons mentioned above. A woman in this position is going to go looking for alternatives because while she is capable of filling the role, she is not happy in it and seeks a strong man to fill that position so that she can concentrate on the things she would rather be doing. Much of this is not conscious decision making, it's somewhat instinctive.

[Brink]

IMO, anyone who is determined to capture as much control as possible in their relationship is wanting more security than what they are getting. It could be that their expectations are unreasonable, of course, or it could be that their partner is out of touch with what is really required. But the lack of faith in their partner in the decision making process, leads them to resort to making demands and placing orders...rather than asking, waiting or suggesting.

This leads people to become overbearing out of a sense of responsibility for their family’s needs:– fear at failing, or making matters worse, can mean they take over almost impulsively. It can be a kind of survival tactic when the trust and respect among family members deteriorates. If somebody is awarded the 'subservient' role because they perform poorly or lack confidence in certian matters, that, by definition, makes the other person more dominant. Sometimes, this struggle for power clouds every issue. It's a bad cycle to get into, especially as often the wrong decisions can be made.

Other times, people want to impose their weight upon their partner because of their own insecurities, and deep-set issues that they brought into the relationship. Perhaps they want to restrict somebody’s options so they can’t ever leave them...or they need to control somebody in order to make themselves feel better. IMO, a lot of power balances in relationships depend on the peoples' self-esteem and self-concept, as well as the personalities, and the relationships they grew up with.

I know equality is the best measure, but I personally like a woman who takes the lead. It certainly leaves me in no doubt about what she wants! It’s a failing of mine that I often can’t be bothered to involve myself in the finer points! But it’s not really out of indifference or disinterest - I just get enough options to consider at work, so it’s nice to be told exactly what’s happening at home. If the consequences really aren’t that great, and the plan seems bearable, I’ll go along with whatever she decides. I trust her judgement in almost everything...well, as long as it doesn’t cost lots of money and have moveable parts!

It would all have to change if we had kids, of course. You need to actively support and agree on the best course of action here...not just opt for the easy life! I could be wrong, but I think most women want a strong father-figure around the children, and this supersedes the kind of role he takes on as her partner.

[sj59]

What? Are you trying to say that you think a person needs to be able to pee standing up to be the decision maker?

But you too can pee standing up Sunny. LOL. Notice I didnt say it wouldnt be messy though.

[glamourgirl]

I think this thread exploded a bit more than the original poster planned. I agree

You sure about that? I don't know what you do but are you sure that, just maybe, the fact that you don't have that testosterone flowing though your body doesn't let you be a little more stable and in control at times? Yes I am sure, I do the same work as my male counterparts.

I deleted much of that due to spacing issues within the thread... your response is intact below.

I love a good debate and respect your opinions, and wholeheartedly agree that one can find studies to back up whatever response one desires to illicit from a target audience.
I am at a bit of a disadvantage here as your response to mine was sociological bordering on religious in what can be considered a suppressive opinion.
As a physician, looking at physiological even genetic aspects of decision making. I find no evidence at this point that confirms an androgenic (testosterone) link or advantage in quality of decision making.
If I remember correctly (and remember I am a peds trauma surgeon not neurologist) Within the brain, hemispheric lateralization of the prefrontal cortex of the cerebrum is the area responsible for the “higher order” integrative processes. It performs such abstract intellectual functions as predicting the future consequences of events or actions. The prefrontal cortex also is responsible for generating feelings of frustration, anxiety and tension, as it interprets ongoing events and predicts future situations or consequences.
The process of decision making itself is carried out through fissures/sulculi or pathways/depressions within the anatomy of the brain and neurological synapses within the brain. This information transfer occurs through the release of chemicals called neurotransmitters. This depolarization and repolarization of Na, K, and Cl ions create the action potential. (I don’t remember any androgenic (testosterone) exchange taking place here).This action travels along the neuriliemmia via nodes of Ranvier to the synaptic cleft where the synaptic vessels release their contents in the cleft allowing the neurotransmitter to diffuse across and bind to the post synaptic membrane. I don’t remember any androgenic (testosterone) exchange taking place here either. That is a VERY basic overview of the process.

My point is now and has been that physiologically there is no difference between the decision making process or abilities betweenthe male/female population.

While conceding to your point that decision making in our culture has been dominated by the males of our species, I debate my dear friend, the "fact" that trait is in fact taught (mainly by religious institutions) today and is not physiological characteristic nor is it based within the genetic make up of the DNA of males, and stand by the opinion of my origional post.

[GeekMaster]

I deleted much... ...As a physician, looking at physiological even genetic aspects of decision making. I find no evidence at this point that confirms an androgenic (testosterone) link or advantage in quality of decision making.
If I remember correctly (and remember I am a peds trauma surgeon not neurologist) Within the brain, hemispheric lateralization of the prefrontal cortex of the cerebrum is the area responsible for the “higher order” integrative processes. It performs such abstract intellectual functions as predicting the future consequences of events or actions. The prefrontal cortex also is responsible for generating feelings of frustration, anxiety and tension, as it interprets ongoing events and predicts future situations or consequences.
The process of decision making itself is carried out through fissures/sulculi or pathways/depressions within the anatomy of the brain and neurological synapses within the brain. This information transfer occurs through the release of chemicals called neurotransmitters. This depolarization and repolarization of Na, K, and Cl ions create the action potential. (I don’t remember any androgenic (testosterone) exchange taking place here).This action travels along the neuriliemmia via nodes of Ranvier to the synaptic cleft where the synaptic vessels release their contents in the cleft allowing the neurotransmitter to diffuse across and bind to the post synaptic membrane. I don’t remember any androgenic (testosterone) exchange taking place here either. That is a VERY basic overview of the process...



DAMN!! Intelligent and SEXY at the same time!! It just doesn't get any better!!:sng

[rascal2121]

Because my wife said so and that settles it for me! Lol.

[FlowerGirl228]

Because if WE aren't happy -NOBODY is happy .. and we make damn sure of it !

[wan2b]

I deleted much of that due to spacing issues within the thread... your response is intact below.

I love a good debate and respect your opinions, and wholeheartedly agree that one can find studies to back up whatever response one desires to illicit from a target audience.
I am at a bit of a disadvantage here as your response to mine was sociological bordering on religious in what can be considered a suppressive opinion.
As a physician, looking at physiological even genetic aspects of decision making. I find no evidence at this point that confirms an androgenic (testosterone) link or advantage in quality of decision making.
If I remember correctly (and remember I am a peds trauma surgeon not neurologist) Within the brain, hemispheric lateralization of the prefrontal cortex of the cerebrum is the area responsible for the “higher order” integrative processes. It performs such abstract intellectual functions as predicting the future consequences of events or actions. The prefrontal cortex also is responsible for generating feelings of frustration, anxiety and tension, as it interprets ongoing events and predicts future situations or consequences.
The process of decision making itself is carried out through fissures/sulculi or pathways/depressions within the anatomy of the brain and neurological synapses within the brain. This information transfer occurs through the release of chemicals called neurotransmitters. This depolarization and repolarization of Na, K, and Cl ions create the action potential. (I don’t remember any androgenic (testosterone) exchange taking place here).This action travels along the neuriliemmia via nodes of Ranvier to the synaptic cleft where the synaptic vessels release their contents in the cleft allowing the neurotransmitter to diffuse across and bind to the post synaptic membrane. I don’t remember any androgenic (testosterone) exchange taking place here either. That is a VERY basic overview of the process.

My point is now and has been that physiologically there is no difference between the decision making process or abilities betweenthe male/female population.

While conceding to your point that decision making in our culture has been dominated by the males of our species, I debate my dear friend, the "fact" that trait is in fact taught (mainly by religious institutions) today and is not physiological characteristic nor is it based within the genetic make up of the DNA of males, and stand by the opinion of my origional post.


Yes, this has gone far beyond anything I expected. I posted it to cause folks to respond. I stated in a correction to the original post, that I did not believe what I had written. There have been an impressive variety of opinions. I believe every one can be debated, even the most technical. With the exception of medical surgeons, a physician's education is no more extensive than a doctor degree in electrical engineering. There is scientific proof to prove the opposite of any one explanation.
The reference to standing while peeing, if women did it, there would be no need to put down the seat. I was indicating that under normal circumstances, if you stand while doing it your a man.
Incidentally, taken through life, women are superior to men. But that is another thread.

[OGP]

OMG, GG.... that post kinda turned me on a little...

[Charmed]

Why O Why do we have to have a Clinton thread :lmao

[Yankee]

Why did Monica have to pull on it?

[Charmed]

Why did Monica have to pull on it?

Why did Bill get it on the dress?

[OGP]

Why did Monica save the dress.... dirty!

[Sneaky]

Why O Why do we have to have a Clinton thread :lmao

There's a Clinton thred?
:sc

[Charmed]

There's a Clinton thred?
:sc

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Sneaky]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:sry Ok, ok, ok. LOL.

[Han Solo]

There's a Clinton thred?
:sc
REALLY?? AWESOME....we should so go there!!

I'm sure you would totally rock the lime green pantsuit too ...

[Danso]

I am at a bit of a disadvantage here as your response to mine was sociological bordering on religious in what can be considered a suppressive opinion.

I did not mean anything anywhere near that deep. All I did was, somewhat flippantly, suggest that a woman, lacking a certain chemical flowing through their body, might be a bit more stable in certain situations.
As a physician, looking at physiological even genetic aspects of decision making. I find no evidence at this point that confirms an androgenic (testosterone) link or advantage in quality of decision making.
I freely admit that I have no medical training. But I have seen a lot of fights start and it's rarely the women doing it. So, from an empirical point of view there is a difference. Somehow, a woman can often manage to diffuse a situation where a man, in a similar situation, will react violently.

My point is now and has been that physiologically there is no difference between the decision making process or abilities betweenthe male/female population.
Well, there's theory and there's practice. Something seems to make guys a little more reckless, a little more dangerous and a little less worried about consequences. If you say it's not testosterone, I'll bow to your medical knowledge.

While conceding to your point that decision making in our culture has been dominated by the males of our species, I debate my dear friend, the "fact" that trait is in fact taught (mainly by religious institutions) today and is not physiological characteristic nor is it based within the genetic make up of the DNA of males, and stand by the opinion of my origional post.



You do realize that I was mostly agreeing with your points, and was simply pointing out that you can find someone to justify any position if you try hard enough, and was teasing you about your stance, right?

[glamourgirl]

You do realize that I was mostly agreeing with your points, and was simply pointing out that you can find someone to justify any position if you try hard enough, and was teasing you about your stance, right?

Yes and I did find the teasing amusing....however I must admit I was hoping to go a few rounds, just for the sport of it...to see if i could wear the pants... Mr "women "test" men to see if they will abdicate their "pants wearing ability" "... (and yes i do understand that you were talking about the marriage relationship)....don't cede your position so quickly, my testosterone filled friend...I was having fun and liked the challenge! Have good day handsome one.
:kk

[wan2b]

Did anyone consider the aspect of changes in roles with passage through life. If I remember correctly the brains at birth are the male brain is asymmetric and the female brain is symmetric. During the passage through the size and shape of male and female reverse.
As an aside, put a male and female child in a room and place dolls and guns with them. Do you know who picks up the doll and who picks up the gun.
Everyone is right.
I believe taken as a total through life women are superior.

[wan2b]

Yes and I did find the teasing amusing....however I must admit I was hoping to go a few rounds, just for the sport of it...to see if i could wear the pants... Mr "women "test" men to see if they will abdicate their "pants wearing ability" "... (and yes i do understand that you were talking about the marriage relationship)....don't cede your position so quickly, my testosterone filled friend...I was having fun and liked the challenge! Have good day handsome one.
:kk

Please see 105, thanks.

[glamourgirl]

Cranial asymmetry can occur for several different reasons, including position in the womb or short, tight or sore neck muscles; in addition to the back-sleeping. This is the "flat spot" that parents worry about.
Now as far as Cerebral asymmetry and function goes...the left hemisphere is social, ontogenetic (phenotypical) therefore at an embryo it is almost empty (and gets filled after birth). Right hemisphere is biological, phylogenetic (genotypical), and therefore at an embryo it is full of the old information. After birth, sooner or later, the left hemisphere will inevitably catch up with the right one in size and often will surpass it.

In the left hemisphere are located: perception of meaning and reconstruction of speech, writing, self-awareness, fine motor control of the fingers of both hands, logical, analytical, abstract thinking, arithmetical calculation, musical composition, color range, positive emotions. It understands well time, verbs, is capable of false statements. To the right hemisphere belong spatial-visual capacities, intuition, music, speech intonation, coarse movement of all extremities, integral perception, negative emotions, humor. It understands little of verbs, abstract terms (health, spite, joy, religion), and is not capable of false statements.
Physiologically neither the cerebrum nor the cerebellium of one sex is superior or inferior to the other.
Does that help?

[Fwd40s]

Nope....doesn't help me at all. The thought of pregnancy is scary and too much brian activity for me is dangerous.

[wan2b]

Cranial asymmetry can occur for several different reasons, including position in the womb or short, tight or sore neck muscles; in addition to the back-sleeping. This is the "flat spot" that parents worry about.
Now as far as Cerebral asymmetry and function goes...the left hemisphere is social, ontogenetic (phenotypical) therefore at an embryo it is almost empty (and gets filled after birth). Right hemisphere is biological, phylogenetic (genotypical), and therefore at an embryo it is full of the old information. After birth, sooner or later, the left hemisphere will inevitably catch up with the right one in size and often will surpass it.

In the left hemisphere are located: perception of meaning and reconstruction of speech, writing, self-awareness, fine motor control of the fingers of both hands, logical, analytical, abstract thinking, arithmetical calculation, musical composition, color range, positive emotions. It understands well time, verbs, is capable of false statements. To the right hemisphere belong spatial-visual capacities, intuition, music, speech intonation, coarse movement of all extremities, integral perception, negative emotions, humor. It understands little of verbs, abstract terms (health, spite, joy, religion), and is not capable of false statements.
Physiologically neither the cerebrum nor the cerebellium of one sex is superior or inferior to the other.
Does that help?

Hi GG - Excellent. More later.

[Charmed]

Why does the dog want inside? I just let him out.

[OneNiteStand]

leave it to the guys...we're man of the house.