Bush Impeachment Thread

[Barkiss]

I moved the Bush Impeachment thread for moderator review. If it is deemed appropriate for the threads, it will be put back on the general forums.

[Norfolkdave]

Yes o wise one, I agree on your decision here o wise mortal of moderators, o wise one of wisdom.....

[Penny]

There is a poll going to see if it belongs here http://www.marriedandflirtingchat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1411

[SirFox]

I moved the Bush Impeachment thread for moderator review. If it is deemed appropriate for the threads, it will be put back on the general forums.

BARKISS! So you are the other one? I mean I knew that your cohort was around, I mean SPARE....and so you are a moderator. Congratulations!

[Suzy_Q]

You have got to be kidding....I hope it doesn't get put on the forum. there must be alot of people here that don't like thim...I voted for him

[SirFox]

You have got to be kidding....I hope it doesn't get put on the forum. there must be alot of people here that don't like thim...I voted for him

Talk about VOTING from ABROAD.....

Do you know how many Americans live OUTSIDE the US? Last figures I saw it was 6 million!

Imagine a party who would readily do something about we uns out here just in terms of VOTING....

Last time, I received my "ABSENTEE" voting ballot in January instead of in October for the November presidential elections....from Harris County....Texas. Should we be placed in the disenfranchised list of persons? Believe so.

[Penny]

do you still approve of what hes doing?




I know I shouldnt ask but couldnt resist:(


You have got to be kidding....I hope it doesn't get put on the forum. there must be alot of people here that don't like thim...I voted for him

[upstr84u]

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - not the place for this topic

[spare_change]

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - not the place for this topic


It is for those who wish to discuss it -- if you don't want to, don't read it.

[spare_change]

You have got to be kidding....I hope it doesn't get put on the forum. there must be alot of people here that don't like thim...I voted for him

As did I, Suzy --- and I'm not sorry I did. When you get past all the liberal rhetoric, you'll find that he did the right thing. Course, it could be worse -- it could be John Kerry.

[Zpanther]

Yeah I supported Bush and would do it again with the only other choice being Kerry. I think a lot of votes Bush got were more against Kerry that for Bush. I'm not all that impressed with Bush's overall performance though. I didn't vote for Clinton, but he was a better President.... mainly because he was smart enough to let Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress handle the economy. Like him or not, Gingrich is probably the main reason our economy is still on track.

Both parties actually have similar views as far as foreign policy. Clinton listened to Madelein Albreicht and Jamie Rubin and allowed our militar to become the airforce for a bunch of criminals in Kosovo. Malosovic was no Angel for sure. The Albanians were definitely suffering for years under his rule, but the staged massacres that precipitated our involvement were just as bad. The Balkans haven't changed much for several hundred years. The people there are used to be occupied by foreigners and will patiently wait until there interest is occupied elsewhere.... and then go back to the clans and various ethnic groups killing each other.

I didn't think the timing was right to go into Iraq, but I understand the strategic need to have a strong presence in the middle east. It turned out pretty much like I expected. The military did a terrific job of doing what they do well....... seek and destroy the enemy. Then it degenerated into a quaqmire when they were expected to set up a government. The military is not suited for that job and have never been very good at that..... and probably shouldn't be expected to be. You can't expect that same soldiers who were trained to seek and destroy an enemy to be good at teaching people how to serve and protect themselves.

Yes we are losing lives in Iraq and Afghanistan..... and each one is a shame, but I'm not convinced that we might have lost more in the long run if we just left the Islamic extremists to operate wherever and whenever they please either.

[spare_change]

You know, I hear words like "quagmire" and "unwinnable" all the time.

As most know, I have done some part-time consulting for the federal government. I have been to Iraq 3 times in the last 3 years (my last time was in July last year).

Folks -- it just ain't so!! It is astounding the progress being made. Once we won the war, the military took on the role of helping to rebuild the country. It is exactly the same thing we did in Germany, Japan, and Korea. Our troops provide humanitarian assistance; they help to rebuild the infrastructure. I just read this weekend that 1) more people in Iraq have electrical power today than they did before the war, and 2) the Iraqi security force (their army) is taking over security responsibility increasingly every day. In the past year, they have assumed responsibility for almost 30% of the country!!

This bullshit about quagmires and unwinnable wars is just that! It's propogated by a media corps that sits in air conditioned hotels, suns itself on the patio, reads body count reports, are too damned lazy to get off their ass and walk the streets, and have absolutely no idea what is going on outside the walls of its little protected enclave. How many reporters have died as a result of the senseless violence over there? 1? 2? 3? Now, ask yourself how many relief workers, nuns, and charity workers have died? Who do you think is on the front line?

I tell you -- all you have to do is walk the streets, and see the look in the little kids' eyes when our soldiers walk by, see that admiration, gratitude, and even love bordering on hero worship, and you know not only do they belong there, they are doing one hell of a job. They have truly changed the history of the world -- they are not conquerors, they are saints! Well, not saints - but they are true professionals doing their job.... they are making a difference. I wonder how many members of the media can say the same thing.

[Sandy]

you know spare you made a good point, we had a friend of mine over there for 1 year. and he just came home. he said you wouldn't believe the diff, our troops have made for the people. but you never hear about that. i think its about time the media learned how to tell the news the right way. by reporting everything, not just what they want.

[Norfolkdave]

you know spare you made a good point, we had a friend of mine over there for 1 year. and he just came home. he said you wouldn't believe the diff, our troops have made for the people. but you never hear about that. i think its about time the media learned how to tell the news the right way. by reporting everything, not just what they want.

Hear hear sandy well spoken, I agree, and I wish it would happen in this country as well, so much doom and gloom all the time.:wa:

[Zpanther]

I didn't mean to insinuate no progress is being made at all. Nation-building is normally a longer and a lot more difficult process than fighting wars. My point is that the military is good at fighting wars and ought to stay out of the nation-building business. They may make some progress, but they simply can't do everything........ even though they think they can..... and that's part of the problem. I've seen it first hand too and have had a number of disucssion with Generals about this issue... and you know what?...... most of 'em agree. They'd prefer to do what they're trained to do.... and that ain't running countries. But if they're forced to do it, they will do the best they can and that's better than nothing.

[Penny]

I really dont care if Iraq sits in the dark or not. Why do our people have to die there. Lets see why because someone made up stories and didnt listen to the people that really knew. I dont see why people dont like Kerry. Is it because the same people that cant keep a secret or a story straight called him a flip flopper :(

[spare_change]

I really dont care if Iraq sits in the dark or not. Why do our people have to die there. Lets see why because someone made up stories and didnt listen to the people that really knew. I dont see why people dont like Kerry. Is it because the same people that cant keep a secret or a story straight called him a flip flopper :(

A very complicated question, Penny -- I'll leave the first alone, except to remind you that it isn't just our people dying there -- we are helping them. Do you want to just leave them to the fascism of the terrorists? Our national interests are served by them being there -- I think it was General Marshall who said that the soldier is the last, and most expensive, tool of diplomacy.

As for Kerry -- quite simply, the man is a traitor. What he did during the Viet Nam war, and after, was nothing short of criminal. The man shouldn't be elected, he should be shot. The last good idea he had died of loneliness -- the man has no morals, no compass -- he only has his own personal self interest in mind. This is the guy who wrote his own commendation for a purple heart -- an affront to all of us who earned ours. How can you respect a man when you can't even figure out who he is?

[Penny]

A traitor? He went there and fought there. My husbands brother went there and came home with no arm. Anyone that actually goes and fights there has the right to complain about it. What did he do that is different than all the generals are today?

[Zpanther]

Yes Penny's point is a complicated issue.... I'm not concerned about whether or not the administration knew if there were weapons of mass distruction. Sadaam was terrorizing his people, but there are despots all over the world doing that and we can't stop 'em all.... and history has proved that if we try, we might stop the carnage for a few years, but a new despot eventually gains power and essentially does the same thing to the people. No one has an answer for how to build a democratic nation successfully. The UN certainly doesn't. Their success rate is dismal.

We needed a presence in the middle east to protect our national interests and the administration used the best excuse they had at the time to go in. I generally agree that we needed to do that..... just wasn't sure the timing was right.... but I also don't have access to all the information the policymakers had might have agreed if I knew everything they knew at the time. I also don't believe everyone in the country has the right or need to know every detail of what's going on with foreign policy. That's ridiculous. I saw Kerry on the news yesterday explaining that he thinks it's alright for government officials with top secret clearnance to make their own decisions personally if they should inform the media (and essentially our enemies) when they don't agree with decisions made by the administration. That guy is dangerous! ..... and unfortunately there are quite a few more like him in position of influence.

[spare_change]

A traitor? He went there and fought there. My husbands brother went there and came home with no arm. Anyone that actually goes and fights there has the right to complain about it. What did he do that is different than all the generals are today?

No -- let's look at what he actually did. He was assigned to a riverboat -- after he pleaded for the job because he didn't want to go into face-to-face combat. He claims things happened that his crew denies. His own crew tells the real story about how he got his medals --- he jumped off the boat, ran down a 14-15 year old UNARMED kid, and shot and killed him. He was "wounded" when a piece of improperly stored equipment hit and cut his leg --- and he put himself in for a Purple Heart. He claimed to be in Laos, when the records clearly prove he wasn't with 500 miles of there.

And then, he deserted -- he came back to the States, had a chance to help his fellow soldiers, his brothers in arms, to make people here understand what was really going on, what we were really facing -- and the asshole deserted. It was more politically expedient to align himself with anti-war movement, to piss on the medals he won, to --he says -- throw them in the river. He deserted me -- he deserted every man over there. All this from the guy who --- BEFORE he went -- told his college roommate he was going over there, come back and get in the anti-war movement because it would help him be President someday.

But, I want to thank him -- I owe him a lot. It was because of him, and his seditious lies to Congress, and people just like him, and their refusal to fight a war to win, that i sat on a bridge at Khe Sanh and held my best friend's head as his guts poured out on the ground, that I listened to his screams, that I got to watch him die, that I was called a baby killer (he said that we all were), that I was spit on in the San Francisco Airport, that I carried my luggage 4 miles before some guy stopped and gave me a ride because I couldn't get a cab to stop, that I was refused service in a bar at O'Hare airport because I was wearing a uniform, that I was jumped by 4 anti-war protestors on the campus of the University of Wisconsin because my hair was too short and I was wearing spit-shined shoes, that when the cops showed up, I was arrested and spent 5 days in jail for creating a disturbance (it's ok -- two of them spent that long in the hospital) that to this day, there are people in my hometown that won't even acknowledge my presence. Yeah, I owe him -- he deserted me, me and my fellow soldiers.

I forgave Bill Clinton - -he was just a coward. I don't forgive John Kerry -- he did it with malice and forethought.

[Penny]

Why not Syria why not Iran why not N Korea? You cant just start going into any country you want and say well the people there are being repressed. Why dont we just go for the big one and invade China. The money we are spending in Iraq could make this the most secure country in the world. I was all for bombing someone after 9-11 I just wished it was the right place.

[lovemakenman]

Inappropriate.

[Penny]

An officer in the Navy he never even had to see a jungle probably. He could have gotton the deferments and things most other rich kids got.

I think you watched to many of those commercials they were putting out :(

[lovemakenman]

An officer in the Navy he never even had to see a jungle probably. He could have gotton the deferments and things most other rich kids got.

I think you watched to many of those commercials they were putting out :(

Well He was never in the Navy he was in the Reserves in th Army As A piolit. and He had mission to fly like all other did.

[Penny]

Bush was a pilot in the reserves



Well He was never in the Navy he was in the Reserves in th Army As A piolit. and He had mission to fly like all other did.

[lovemakenman]

Bush was a pilot in the reserves

Yes he was

[Penny]

Kerry actually went to war.

[spare_change]

An officer in the Navy he never even had to see a jungle probably. He could have gotton the deferments and things most other rich kids got.

I think you watched to many of those commercials they were putting out :(


LOL -- ya think so??? Let me check the scars on my leg.

[Annie]

Well He was never in the Navy he was in the Reserves in th Army As A piolit. and He had mission to fly like all other did.

Yeah right and he was so special he was able to put off a physical for how long? Hmmm I always wondered why he didn't want to take that physical... If he truly wanted to serve his country then he would have made the time for the most important part of his job!

[spare_change]

Yeah right and he was so special he was able to put off a physical for how long? Hmmm I always wondered why he didn't want to take that physical... If he truly wanted to serve his country then he would have made the time for the most important part of his job!

Pretty tough to judge a man's motivations thru the prism of 30 years.


He was no different than thousands of young men who didn't want to go, who went to college to get to deferments, who got their girlfriends pregnant, or who ran away to Canada. It could be worse -- he could have gone to England, and led anti-war protests. Oh, wait -- that was Clinton.

Hell -- I didn't want to go, either! I suspect you are holding him up to a higher standard than you would me, or your brother, or anybody else.

[Penny]

I have another bother in law that was in the navy and was on a river boat. It was no picnic according to him and his wounds. :(

I think everyone has there own agenda and beliefs and we rally behind the person or persons that make us feel better about them. Because you hate kerry and I dissagree with Iraq doesnt mean either of us is right. Just that we have different opinions

[spare_change]

I have another bother in law that was in the navy and was on a river boat. It was no picnic according to him and his wounds. :(

I think everyone has there own agenda and beliefs and we rally behind the person or persons that make us feel better about them. Because you hate kerry and I dissagree with Iraq doesnt mean either of us is right. Just that we have different opinions


See? I told you we could agree on something!

[lovemakenman]

Yeah right and he was so special he was able to put off a physical for how long? Hmmm I always wondered why he didn't want to take that physical... If he truly wanted to serve his country then he would have made the time for the most important part of his job!

Hey DOnt KIll the Messanger I am only giving facts
The Phisical was not the Issue actuly it was he had started wearing glasses that kept him out of the seat. but he could have gone and done more. Yes Scarrie did go he also put him self in for awards he was not do he was a paper pusher that had been asked to fill in on a gun ship. put we alll have our out looks and we are all going to take them

[Sandy]

you know i agree with spare about kerry, my dad did 2 tours and he hates kerry. i can still remember when he came home people tried to spit in his uniform at the airport. he held his temper cause of his kids. but i could tell it hurt him. hes putting his life on the line for us, and people want to treat him like shit cause of it. i can still hear his screams. from when he did come home. he almost hit my mom one night. he was dreaming about vietnam and mistook her for an enemy. i have the upmost respect for out military. retired and active. but not for kerry. i'm sorry but killing an unarmed kid doesn't make him a hero. it makes him a murderer. and then turning his back on the real heros, really says alot to me. :spbx:

[spare_change]

I love politics!!! Makes the blood flow !!! If you can't believe in something strongly enough to fight for it, why bother living?

[Annie]

Pretty tough to judge a man's motivations thru the prism of 30 years.


He was no different than thousands of young men who didn't want to go, who went to college to get to deferments, who got their girlfriends pregnant, or who ran away to Canada. It could be worse -- he could have gone to England, and led anti-war protests. Oh, wait -- that was Clinton.

Hell -- I didn't want to go, either! I suspect you are holding him up to a higher standard than you would me, or your brother, or anybody else.

I think when someone runs for the top position in our country... hell, in the free world for that matter, we need to hold them to a higher standard. Isn't that what we did when Clinton and Monica got caught and then Clinton lied? People screw around and lie about it all the time don't they? It's really no big when others do that... is it?

[spare_change]

I think when someone runs for the top position in our country... hell, in the free world for that matter, we need to hold them to a higher standard. Isn't that what we did when Clinton and Monica got caught and then Clinton lied? People screw around and lie about it all the time don't they? It's really no big when others do that... is it?

I don't recall anywhere that it says you must be God-like to be President. In fact, quite the reverse, our big claim to fame is that the common man can be President some day.

Monica?? That was politics -- Getting a blow job in the Oval Office isn't the worst thing a President has ever done. After all, we have had closet gays, crossdressers, wifebeaters, and drunks as Presidents. So much for the higher standard, huh?

[likesbuttons]

I voted against Kerry. I so wanted to vote Demo, but at the time the best decision for me was Bush. I think he's really not what we want representing our Country now, but you have to make do with what you have in front of you to make decisions....

How the hell does anyone in their right mind want to become the President in today's world?..........That's what truly amazes me.

[spare_change]

I voted against Kerry. I so wanted to vote Demo, but at the time the best decision for me was Bush. I think he's really not what we want representing our Country now, but you have to make do with what you have in front of you to make decisions....

How the hell does anyone in their right mind want to become the President in today's world?..........That's what truly amazes me.


I want the job !!! Annie is going to be my campaign manager!! I think it's my God complex!


Oh, btw, Annie -- back in 81, I got a blow job -- think that will hurt us?

[Zpanther]

Well I'm interested in who wins the election for President. It does make some difference. But frankly, in our system, the President can't screw things up too bad without a lot of help from Congress and the Supreme Court. Jimmy Carter proved that. Can't imagine anyone could be worse than he was. So, while I didn't support Clinton (in fact there are a lot of things I don't like about him), I wasn't all that concerned when he got elected and actually was quite surprised to see he really didn't do all that bad..... all things considered.

[Penny]

Carter had a consciense, (I cant spell) That was his problem. Clinton was the regular man that became president.

[spare_change]

Damn, Penny -- if I didn't know better -- I would say you have tedkennedyitis!!

[Penny]

One thing that bugs me about politics is some people, not saying any of you. Never watch the news or read the papers or even vote. Have such strong opinions about one fact.

I have a nephew that likes to hunt. He voted for Bush because he would never take away his right to own a machine gun. Now that he cant afford to drive his big ass pick up back n forth to work he is complaining. I know others that voted for him because republicans dont get blow jobs. Now they are losing their home because hubby lost that good job because the so called great economy is unravelling around them. I know others that voted for Bush because he was tough and would not let illeagle alians in the country. Guess what his roofing business is so bad right now because he cant compete with the Mexicans that do it for half the money.
To many people pick one thing and overlook the big picture.

[spare_change]

We arent exactly known for our well informed voting public. Hell, we can't get them to vote, much less study the issues.

It's scary when you think who is picking the next leader of the free world, and what they use for criteria. But, generally, they somehow manage to get it right.

[Penny]

When my brother in law was bleeding to death in a field hospital in Veit Nam and couldnt get flown out because there wasnt enough room on the planes because people with special friends got to go first. My farther in law called his office. He never met or talked to him before. Kennedy didnt know him from Adam. Kenedy talked to my father in law on the phone and my brother in law was on the next plane. Say what you want about him but he does care about people.



Damn, Penny -- if I didn't know better -- I would say you have tedkennedyitis!!

[Annie]

I want the job !!! Annie is going to be my campaign manager!! I think it's my God complex!


Oh, btw, Annie -- back in 81, I got a blow job -- think that will hurt us?

Only if you followed it up by having a cigar. Was a cigar involved in any way?

[cherokeered]

I would like to see him gone...why don't people get together and just do something?

I don't think he won either time anyway....they cheated

People couldn't be dumb enough to vote him in twice...could they?;)

[Penny]

Put the INS out infront of polling places in Florida and thats all it took :(

[spare_change]

ZP is right -- we don't vote for anybody. We vote AGAINST somebody. Given that this is his last term, he will be gone.

"Cheated" is such a harsh term -- I prefer to think of it as the system worked the way it was intended to work. It just happened he came out on top --

[cherokeered]

lol...they used rigged balloting system too....everyone won....;)

[Zpanther]

Carter had a consciense, (I cant spell) That was his problem. Clinton was the regular man that became president.

Carter would have fit in well at the UN.... still would. He's got that utopian, head in the clouds view that all people are essentially good and want to do the right thing ..... they just need to be educated how to do it. Their answer to the problems in these developing countries is to train 'em in Human Rights. 'If they just realized that it's not good to like torturing people to obtain power, money and influence..... they wouldn't do it.'

Everyone knows that without going to a human rights class. The fact is there are people in this world that will hurt you if it's in their own interests..... and the only thing that will stop them is if they're threatened by someone else that they believe might have the strength (and the will) to hurt THEM if they do.

[spare_change]

Yep -- I can see the logic of that --- Bush had a bunch of nefarious campaign workers sneak into Florida under cover of night, get hold of the 1700 voting machines spread throughout the state under lock and key, and rig each so that they would have hanging chads - not just any chads, but the right chads!

Then, just to make sure it went his way, he somehow rigged the oral vote in the Supreme Court.

An ingenious plot !!! A guy that sharp deserves to be president!

[cherokeered]

anyone can rig an oral vote....:blowjob:

[spare_change]

anyone can rig an oral vote....:blowjob:

Don't tell Sandra Day O'Connor that !

[Penny]

I think the supreme court vote was more of its getting late and someone needs to be elected so we will go with what we got. INS was patrolling polling places in southern Florida to keep out the democratic Cuban vote. Even though they were citizans it has a gestapo feel to it.



Yep -- I can see the logic of that --- Bush had a bunch of nefarious campaign workers sneak into Florida under cover of night, get hold of the 1700 voting machines spread throughout the state under lock and key, and rig each so that they would have hanging chads - not just any chads, but the right chads!

Then, just to make sure it went his way, he somehow rigged the oral vote in the Supreme Court.

An ingenious plot !!! A guy that sharp deserves to be president!

[Zpanther]

I think the supreme court vote was more of its getting late and someone needs to be elected so we will go with what we got. INS was patrolling polling places in southern Florida to keep out the democratic Cuban vote. Even though they were citizans it has a gestapo feel to it.

Huh! .... and was the INS patrolling polling places again in '04? ..... I'm not so sure all those Cubans are democrats either or that they're all legal immigrants and entitled to vote at all, but if it worked so well there we ought to get 'em down on the southern border.

[spare_change]

I think the supreme court vote was more of its getting late and someone needs to be elected so we will go with what we got. INS was patrolling polling places in southern Florida to keep out the democratic Cuban vote. Even though they were citizans it has a gestapo feel to it.

That was their mission? keep out the democratic Cuban vote? hmm -- I would have guessed it was to ensure that no illegal immigrants were allowed to taint the democratic process.

The man is a pure machivellian genius!!! I want him running the war in Iraq!!!

[cherokeered]

Just to back up... they couldn't wait to get Sandra out of there....Don't need no stinking woman using logic to gum up the works....:spbx:

[lovemakenman]

I think the supreme court vote was more of its getting late and someone needs to be elected so we will go with what we got. INS was patrolling polling places in southern Florida to keep out the democratic Cuban vote. Even though they were citizans it has a gestapo feel to it.

Were you coming back or what?

[Suzy_Q]

First....Yes I do approve of most things Bush is doing..he has done much better than Kerry ever would. kerry was just telling people what they wanted to hear...there was many time I watched his campaigns..and each and every time if you listened very closely he always contradicted himself... Bush never did..he said what he would do and never once in the same speech say anything different. and he has changed our school system for the better I think...and clinton well that S.O.B could crap and fall back into it...he was a bad govenor and worst president..If it wasn't for him we wouldn't be crowded out by Hispanics..don't get me wrong there is alot out there that are willing to learn our language and live by the U.S laws..but there ia a ton of them that just want a free meal ticket and will doing anything to get it....

[lovemakenman]

Why not Syria why not Iran why not N Korea? You cant just start going into any country you want and say well the people there are being repressed. Why dont we just go for the big one and invade China. The money we are spending in Iraq could make this the most secure country in the world. I was all for bombing someone after 9-11 I just wished it was the right place.

And we did not hit the correct person or are we still waiting to get him?

[Penny]

The 32 % that still approve of Bush must all be here :D

[Zpanther]

The 32 % that still approve of Bush must all be here :D

Depends on how you ask the question in the polls. There are a lot of people frustrated with Bush, but some in the media also waste no opportunity to tell us 25 times a day that his poll numbers have dropped to a new low.

As I said earlier, I'm not all that impressed with Bush..... But now if the question was 'would you rather have Kerry or Bush as President' I bet those numbers would go right back up over 50% real quick.

[Suzy_Q]

If Kerry was in office right now...we would be in worse shape now than we were when Clinton was in office...
and everyone keeps trying to Blame Bush for what happened when Katrina hit...but is was FEMA that failed miserably..and bush even apologized on national tv for what FEMA did and it was FEMA that should have given the apology.
another thing I find outragious is that I have learned that the gas companies with names...citgo,mobil,just to name a couple...are giving most of there profit over to the terrorist to support them..anything that those stations sell in the store..the profits go to support terrorist....so I no longer buy gas or anything from the station that sell those brand of gas.

[Cotties]

Talk about a good way to kill an erectionarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - not the place for this topic

[cherokeered]

poor baby....see politicians ruin everything....:lf

[flamengo130]

this has been a great thread. kudo's to you all. politicians will do whatever they are told to do to win votes (none of em are smart enough to do it on their own). not a damn one of them are there for the betterment of this country...not a one. republicans vote against democrats, and democrats vote against republicans, but neither of them hear what the majority of america wants. Once elected, it falls to special interest groups, lobbies, being "politically correct", and a gambit of other factors not in the best interest of this country. But it's all we've got, and the only salvation of America is for the elected politicians to put aside their particular party crap and work together...FOR THE BETTERMENT OF AMERICA. Maybe they should read these threads and see what the pulse is.
Hope i didn't come off sounding political, cuzz i'm not. Just American. and Proud of it.

[Cotties]

This is what we call a partial hi-jacking.

How are you today you sexy women:kk . Are you still enjoying the attention?poor baby....see politicians ruin everything....:lfMind you politics didn't put Big Bill off a quick blowjob.

[cherokeered]

been enjoying it all night....where were you...didn't you hear me? Am I running too fast hon?


:lf

[SirFox]

this has been a great thread. kudo's to you all. politicians will do whatever they are told to do to win votes (none of em are smart enough to do it on their own). not a damn one of them are there for the betterment of this country...not a one. republicans vote against democrats, and democrats vote against republicans, but neither of them hear what the majority of america wants. Once elected, it falls to special interest groups, lobbies, being "politically correct", and a gambit of other factors not in the best interest of this country. But it's all we've got, and the only salvation of America is for the elected politicians to put aside their particular party crap and work together...FOR THE BETTERMENT OF AMERICA. Maybe they should read these threads and see what the pulse is.
Hope i didn't come off sounding political, cuzz i'm not. Just American. and Proud of it.


FLAMENGO: Your State is a great one, love going into the Wabash Mountains! Welcome to the Site!

Your remarks are EXTREMELY INTERESTING. Why?
Because what you are saying goes for the whole western World. Let me try to illustrate this with a parody on your writing first for France, then Britian, and are APPLICABLE to many Western countries TODAY!

this has been a great thread. kudo's to you all. politicians will do whatever they are told to do to win votes (none of em are smart enough to do it on their own). not a damn one of them are there for the betterment of this country...not a one. The "right" votes against "the left", and "the left" vote against the "right", but neither of them hear what the majority of FRANCE wants. Once elected, it falls to special interest groups, lobbies, being "politically correct", and a gambit of other factors not in the best interest of this country. But it's all we've got, and the only salvation of France is for the elected politicians to put aside their particular party crap and work together...FOR THE BETTERMENT OF FRANCE. Maybe they should read these threads and see what the pulse is.... and Proud of it.


tis has been a great thread. kudo's to you all. politicians will do whatever they are told to do to win votes (none of em are smart enough to do it on their own). not a damn one of them are there for the betterment of this country...not a one. Conservatives vote against Liberals, and Liberals vote against Conservatives, but neither of them hear what the majority of BRITAIN wants. Once elected, it falls to special interest groups, lobbies, being "politically correct", and a gambit of other factors not in the best interest of this country. But it's all we've got, and the only salvation of BRITAIN is for the elected politicians to put aside their particular party crap and work together...FOR THE BETTERMENT OF BRITAIN. Maybe they should read these threads and see what the pulse is....and Proud of it.

Applicable for Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Portugal )surprisingly perhaps not Spain)....

This is my opinion and I share it.

[Norfolkdave]

but there ia a ton of them that just want a free meal ticket and will doing anything to get it...., we have them here! I wont say who but we know

[SirFox]

I want the job !!! Annie is going to be my campaign manager!! I think it's my God complex!

Oh, btw, Annie -- back in 81, I got a blow job -- think that will hurt us?

SPARE: We have to draft you. What are the issues? How will you present yourself? What ticket will you run on? What party?
Still need some help in foreign affairs?