Should We Have A Political Forum?

[Penny]

Does anyone want a forum to discuss the way the world is going. A place to talk about things like local, state and federal govt. Does it belong here?

[spare_change]

To no one's surprise --

I am in favor of a separate area where real-world issues can be discussed in an intelligent manner. We each have our views, and our biases, and it would be good to try to make sense of all the bullshit going on in the world today. By having a separate area, those who choose not to participate merely just need to not go there.

[Penny]

Threads would have to not show on the main page so people that werent interested would not have to see them

[spare_change]

Threads would have to not show on the main page so people that werent interested would not have to see them

That's VERY cool !!

[spare_change]

Removed --- inappropriate.

[Zpanther]

I don't personally have a problem with an area you have to specifically subscribe to for serious political discussions. We already have a few threads to discuss current events. I don't know if that has made some people angry or uncomfortable or not. It doesn't seem to have caused too much of a problem.

Any time there are discussions about politics or religion it usually eventually ends up with some people angry and others with hurt feelings..... unless they all tend to think the same way.

There are plenty of other places I can go to listen to a variety of opinions on politics or religion. There are also hundreds of sites that are specifically for that purpose if someone feels the need to explain their views to someone else. I've stated several times before that for the most part I come to this site for fun and to flirt with the women. If I'm interested in politics I turn on a NEWS channel.

[Jackrabbit]

I agree with Zpanther

[zapher60]

I don't personally have a problem with an area you have to specifically subscribe to for serious political discussions. We already have a few threads to discuss current events. I don't know if that has made some people angry or uncomfortable or not. It doesn't seem to have caused too much of a problem.

Any time there are discussions about politics or religion it usually eventually ends up with some people angry and others with hurt feelings..... unless they all tend to think the same way.

There are plenty of other places I can go to listen to a variety of opinions on politics or religion. There are also hundreds of sites that are specifically for that purpose if someone feels the need to explain their views to someone else. I've stated several times before that for the most part I come to this site for fun and to flirt with the women. If I'm interested in politics I turn on a NEWS channel.


i agree with zpanther people will get hurt if someone doesn't agree with there ideas. This isn't the place to judge even our so called policical leaders. lets just continue to have fun and leave politics out of it.


i agree with

[Sandy]

you know i think it would be ok. if you keep it separate like u said penny, that way everyone has a choice,

[lovemakenman]

I whish we could have one here then I would not have to go to another site

[kissiemybuttie]

ONly thing I am saying on this..with some of the contraversey (spelling sucks sorry) I have been involved with I learned that people should have the right to say what they please...and if they want to talk politics let them go for it!!!

[lovemakenman]

I totaly agree, we are all adluts here and we know not to get up set when we all are talking or speaking our beliefs

[Sunfiresix]

I am not in favor, Too many bad arguments start with simple political talk. Politics and flirting don't mix.

[lovemakenman]

I am not in favor, Too many bad arguments start with simple political talk. Politics and flirting don't mix.

But flirting with politics is so fun

[spare_change]

Curiousity leads me to ask ---

If you don't want to discuss politics, religion, or other adult matters, why is it so important to stop others from doing so?

[yaser]

Curiousity leads me to ask ---

If you don't want to discuss politics, religion, or other adult matters, why is it so important to stop others from doing so?No love,no flirting, no living truly without politics...because it is the base for every human endeavour...Let us discuss...Politics can not be left to politicians only...

[Norfolkdave]

I believe in having sensible discussions if possible, poltics can make enmies, but we need to talk about issues relating to our world, as well as flirting. Love, Laughter, sensibility make the world. On the joivial side we in the bar sometimes put the world to rights, its good to let of steam, bottling things up gets agressive. No I agree with both Spare and ZP on this, yes it would be nice to have a forum, and if people dont want to come in then simply stay out, but then we know curosity killed the cat. We will have the what ifs, and why nots, and what woulds, so yes if we can hold a sensible intellient conversation about politics, then I think it would be worthwhile.

[yaser]

Spare,do you see the results of the survey?63 percent says no to politics.It is interesting, isn't it?

[tiger50]

Spare,do you see the results of the survey?63 percent says no to politics.It is interesting, isn't it?

mmm interesting... am with spare, bring it on , if its not for you then dont read or post on it... it would be nice to have other intelligent type banter... dont think it would be a problem as long as we respect the right of others to have differing views.. :D

[Wet Beaver]

mmm interesting... am with spare, bring it on , if its not for you then dont read or post on it... it would be nice to have other intelligent type banter... dont think it would be a problem as long as we respect the right of others to have differing views.. :D

sorry...i don't see anything good comeing out of a politcal forum here....poltics has a way of polarizeing....and it will spill over to the rest of the board....as it has happen a few times before...

[sweetgapeach]

sorry...i don't see anything good comeing out of a politcal forum here....poltics has a way of polarizeing....and it will spill over to the rest of the board....as it has happen a few times before...

I agree !!

[Annie]

What I don't understand is why a political dicussion needs to be here on this particular site. Is it a "one stop shopping" deal that you're looking for? I don't want judge or blame or argue with anyone about this, I just want to understand the need you feel for it to be here, on M&F.

[yaser]

What I don't understand is why a political dicussion needs to be here on this particular site. Is it a "one stop shopping" deal that you're looking for? I don't want judge or blame or argue with anyone about this, I just want to understand the need you feel for it to be here, on M&F.I think we must clarify what politics mean?It seems that everybody understands a different meaning from the the same concept.

[Wet Beaver]

Threads would have to not show on the main page so people that werent interested would not have to see them

we had sepearte forums for the ladies and the guys....now there is talk for a poltical forum that will be separted from the rest.......doesn't make sense...

[Jy]

Right. No more separate forums. It divides the site, like WB said. if we're going to talk politics, I suggest just a thread in the current events forum, and those who don't want to read it or post on it just don't go there. It's that's simple. Let's not overthink this.

[Norfolkdave]

Right. No more separate forums. It divides the site, like WB said. if we're going to talk politics, I suggest just a thread in the current events forum, and those who don't want to read it or post on it just don't go there. It's that's simple. Let's not overthink this.

Thats it girl, you tell em!!!!!!:lmao good for you:wa:

[spare_change]

What I don't understand is why a political dicussion needs to be here on this particular site. Is it a "one stop shopping" deal that you're looking for? I don't want judge or blame or argue with anyone about this, I just want to understand the need you feel for it to be here, on M&F.

There's an easy answer, Annie -- this is where my friends are. These are the people I want to talk politics with -- I respect their opinions and viewpoints.

[Annie]

There's an easy answer, Annie -- this is where my friends are. These are the people I want to talk politics with -- I respect their opinions and viewpoints.

If this is so, then I hope you understand that I have the utmost respect for you. I know we've had our moments, but I do honestly consider you a friend. When you put up a thread quite some time ago I was repeatedly told to ignore the thread. The problem for me was that the subject line read 2000 Dead Soldiers. Everytime I came to the site I was reminded of 2000 Dead Soldiers, again and again. I was reminded of an Army Captian named Danny who just may have been number 2001. I didn't really need to see any more of the thread to be reminded of the loss of Danny, to suddenly find myself "not in the mood to flirt" and joke with my friends. At that point all I wanted to do was to mourn the loss of Danny and when I signed on, I was hoping to get away from that very pain. I never expected to sign on and leave in so much pain.

When you post inflamitory subject lines, sometimes it isn't what follows that can cause pain, I admit I had a hard time keeping myself from reading, but the post itself was far less hurtful that just that subject line. Remember it was only a day or two after you posted that thread that Danny was blown up by an IED.

I'm very sorry if you think I am judging you or disrespcting you or even trying to censor you. I truly am not, I just want you to be aware that some of those people who consider you a friend and that you consider to be your friends can be hurt when you choose inflamitory subject lines.

[yaser]

If this is so, then I hope you understand that I have the utmost respect for you. I know we've had our moments, but I do honestly consider you a friend. When you put up a thread quite some time ago I was repeatedly told to ignore the thread. The problem for me was that the subject line read 2000 Dead Soldiers. Everytime I came to the site I was reminded of 2000 Dead Soldiers, again and again. I was reminded of an Army Captian named Danny who just may have been number 2001. I didn't really need to see any more of the thread to be reminded of the loss of Danny, to suddenly find myself "not in the mood to flirt" and joke with my friends. At that point all I wanted to do was to mourn the loss of Danny and when I signed on, I was hoping to get away from that very pain. I never expected to sign on and leave in so much pain.

When you post inflamitory subject lines, sometimes it isn't what follows that can cause pain, I admit I had a hard time keeping myself from reading, but the post itself was far less hurtful that just that subject line. Remember it was only a day or two after you posted that thread that Danny was blown up by an IED.

I'm very sorry if you think I am judging you or disrespcting you or even trying to censor you. I truly am not, I just want you to be aware that some of those people who consider you a friend and that you consider to be your friends can be hurt when you choose inflamitory subject lines.Annie,while you are avoiding politics,you are making politics.This is what I want.What I want from politics is not to gossip about what the action of a politician but we raise our awareness because we are the bosses,real bosses but the politicians are our representatives...Politicis cannot be left only to representatives...

[yaser]

Right. No more separate forums. It divides the site, like WB said. if we're going to talk politics, I suggest just a thread in the current events forum, and those who don't want to read it or post on it just don't go there. It's that's simple. Let's not overthink this.Well,Jazzy is that true?Do you really think that politics divide and throw human beings into polarity or integrate and provide an opprtunity to learn to respect each others' rights.And again a simple questio:what is politics?Is it the only action which can be carried out by representatives or real bosses of politics.We are bosses we give our rights temorarliy to others...Temporarily not forever...You know that..too.You are a very good politician as far as I observe...and a leader...

[Zpanther]

Well let me clarify my position a little bit. I'm interested in current events, politics and religion. I regularly watch NEWS channels and go to various websites and enjoy discussing those issues. I would probably post occasionally if there is one (as I have on the news threads we have now.) I'm used to having discussions with people that don't necessarily agree with my view. Lady P and I probably disagree on more on those subjects than we agree on.... a little like Mary Matlin and James Carvel in reverse I suppose.

I understood the question to be 'should we have threaads on this site that where we discuss politics.' I don't personally care one way or the other. But don't be surprised if it ends up with some people upset and leaving the site that might have otherwise stayed. Frankly I don't care about that either. If someone decides (for whatever reason) that they don't want to come to the site, that's their business. People do that all the time. There are people checking the site out every day. Most of them move on without even posting. Some post a few times and then leave and there are also some that post for a month or two and then move on. A few like it and become regular members, but even some of those choose not to come back. They all have their reasons and it may have nothing to do with them being upset about a comment or viewpoint posted on the site.

[yaser]

Well let me clarify my position a little bit. I'm interested in current events, politics and religion. I regularly watch NEWS channels and go to various websites and enjoy discussing those issues. I would probably post occasionally if there is one (as I have on the news threads we have now.) I'm used to having discussions with people that don't necessarily agree with my view. Lady P and I probably disagree on more on those subjects than we agree on.... a little like Mary Matlin and James Carvel in reverse I suppose.

I understood the question to be 'should we have threaads on this site that where we discuss politics.' I don't personally care one way or the other. But don't be surprised if it ends up with some people upset and leaving the site that might have otherwise stayed. Frankly I don't care about that either. If someone decides (for whatever reason) that they don't want to come to the site, that's their business. People do that all the time. There are people checking the site out every day. Most of them move on without even posting. Some post a few times and then leave and there are also some that post for a month or two and then move on. A few like it and become regular members, but even some of those choose not to come back. They all have their reasons and it may have nothing to do with them being upset about a comment or viewpoint posted on the site.Politics ias advancing...

[Annie]

I give up... it's just not worth it

[yaser]

Threads would have to not show on the main page so people that werent interested would not have to see themI love intelligent ladies...

[spare_change]

If this is so, then I hope you understand that I have the utmost respect for you. I know we've had our moments, but I do honestly consider you a friend. When you put up a thread quite some time ago I was repeatedly told to ignore the thread. The problem for me was that the subject line read 2000 Dead Soldiers. Everytime I came to the site I was reminded of 2000 Dead Soldiers, again and again. I was reminded of an Army Captian named Danny who just may have been number 2001.

Believe me, Annie -- I do understand. As I told you then, my nephew was about no. 1985. He was a bright young man who chose to serve. He was killed in a skirmish with the enemy (you can call them terrorists, or insurgents, or even patriots), to him they were the enemy. He left behind a wife and two little girls. He was one of my favorites -- uncles are allowed to have favorites, parents aren't. I think of him every day. I turned here to try to make sense of it -- thus, the question I asked. I truly meant no harm - I was simply asking my friends if it made sense. Sadly, I didn't get an answer. Maybe I never will.

[spare_change]

Spare,do you see the results of the survey?63 percent says no to politics.It is interesting, isn't it?


Actually, what is interesting, Yasar, is this probably means 35% of the people on the site won't get to discuss something they consider important.

[Annie]

Believe me, Annie -- I do understand. As I told you then, my nephew was about no. 1985. He was a bright young man who chose to serve. He was killed in a skirmish with the enemy (you can call them terrorists, or insurgents, or even patriots), to him they were the enemy. He left behind a wife and two little girls. He was one of my favorites -- uncles are allowed to have favorites, parents aren't. I think of him every day. I turned here to try to make sense of it -- thus, the question I asked. I truly meant no harm - I was simply asking my friends if it made sense. Sadly, I didn't get an answer. Maybe I never will.

Thank you, I can't tell you how much this response means to me. I know we all have to deal with our pain in different ways, but I am grateful to have at least come this far in our understanding of each other. Thank you.

[Norfolkdave]

Annie,while you are avoiding politics,you are making politics.This is what I want.What I want from politics is not to gossip about what the action of a politician but we raise our awareness because we are the bosses,real bosses but the politicians are our representatives...Politicis cannot be left only to representatives...

(because we are the bosses,real bosses) We are people Yasar people not bosses. If we want to discuss politics and the way our lives are shaped so be it, but please, we are people.:wa:

[Annie]

Annie,while you are avoiding politics,you are making politics.This is what I want.What I want from politics is not to gossip about what the action of a politician but we raise our awareness because we are the bosses,real bosses but the politicians are our representatives...Politicis cannot be left only to representatives...

Did you even read my post Yasar? Do you even know what I said? Before you comment on a post you should at least have the common courtesy to READ THE POST! Now quit talking out your ass and read it!

[Annie]

(because we are the bosses,real bosses) We are people Yasar people not bosses. If we want to discuss politics and the way our lives are shaped so be it, but please, we are people.:wa:

Do you even know what Yasar was commenting on? Why don't you go look at what I said before you start up Dave! He never even read the post! He has NO CLUE what I said and yet you go and agree with his disagreement to what I SUPPOSEDLY said! Everybody has an opinion about what I said yet the only person who truly "gets it" is the person my post was directed at and that was Spare! Not Yasar and NOT you!

[Jy]

Yasar I wasn't talking about politics dividing the site; I was talking about separate forums dividing it. When we had the ladies' room and then the mens' room, it created a division. I suggested we simply have a political thread in the current events forum instead.



Well,Jazzy is that true?Do you really think that politics divide and throw human beings into polarity or integrate and provide an opprtunity to learn to respect each others' rights.And again a simple questio:what is politics?Is it the only action which can be carried out by representatives or real bosses of politics.We are bosses we give our rights temorarliy to others...Temporarily not forever...You know that..too.You are a very good politician as far as I observe...and a leader...

[Annie]

You know, in order to have an adult, civil, respectful conversation about topics that bring civil, intellegent, respectful people to a discussion board we need to be able to practice these traits. After looking at how many of us are not only disrespecting each others veiws, but completely ignoring them. I am now wondering if it is possible for these people to even begin to maintain any sense of dignity within such a forum! There are several posts that have been commented on here and the comments in no way match what the quoted post was about! I'm sorry, but I find total disrespect in this and that is NOT the way to carry on an ADULT conversation about ANYTHING!

[yaser]

'Politics. It is possibly the most hated word in the English language. Most people hate politics and government without really knowing what they are. Many different definitions of politics exist. One definition defines politics as the conflict between groups over something they both want. Another similar definition calls politics the "who gets what, when, and how." I may quote a passage from Jason Yanon to make clear what I want to say..I have no intention to create conflict with anybody.We have to learn to respect the rights of each other without insulting.

[Norfolkdave]

Do you even know what Yasar was commenting on? Why don't you go look at what I said before you start up Dave! He never even read the post! He has NO CLUE what I said and yet you go and agree with his disagreement to what I SUPPOSEDLY said! Everybody has an opinion about what I said yet the only person who truly "gets it" is the person my post was directed at and that was Spare! Not Yasar and NOT you!

Hey hey dont go off at me I was merely pointing out part of the post as I thought the termonogolgy sounded strong ( bosses) we are people, and thats what I was trying to say that what I was pointing out. Im sorry if I offended

[yaser]

Did you even read my post Yasar? Do you even know what I said? Before you comment on a post you should at least have the common courtesy to READ THE POST! Now quit talking out your ass and read it!You are truely right...I will...Thank you for valuable warning.

[Penny]

The poll looks like a Bush approval poll right now anyway so I dont think it will happen here.

[spare_change]

The poll looks like a Bush approval poll right now anyway so I dont think it will happen here.

Surely you can't ignore the fact that 30% of the members want to do it -- and 70% want to make sure they don't????

[Annie]

Surely you can't ignore the fact that 30% of the members want to do it -- and 70% want to make sure they don't????

Spare, I'm not convinced that they want to make sure it doesn't happen. Could it be that they were just voicing an opinion... not trying to censor?

[spare_change]

Spare, I'm not convinced that they want to make sure it doesn't happen. Could it be that they were just voicing an opinion... not trying to censor?

I prefer to think of it as not willing to participate -- but the net effect is that it stifles those who do ---

[Wet Beaver]

double standers??....the majority said get rid of the ladies and men rooms...but now it is not fair that the majority says no to a political forum??

[Annie]

I prefer to think of it as not willing to participate -- but the net effect is that it stifles those who do ---

Yes I guess you are right... doesn't really matter why. The end result is the same.

[cherokeered]

If you want to discuss politics... then do it, but me.. I get too heated, am very opinionated and always right... plus, all politicians lie....of course they also do it to you when you bend over for it so... well not so bad I guess...;)

[Shiane]

Makes no difference to me one way or another.

[Cotties]

I have chosen to make a donkey vote on this topic.


One of the problems I see here is we are having a vote on our rights to talk about politics in a more serious manner. People will still talk politics anyway.This is an adult site and politics are for adults. There are 13 or so others forums. This will be the strangest one and look out of place in my opinion.I hope it does not happen and politics are kept in the Current Events forum where they belong. People have always been free to open a new thread and have discussions like mature adults.I have seen a thread closed as not to hurt the feelings of some regular users of the site. That was not for me to decide even thou I thought it was wrong. The choice should be Penny's as this site is her creation.

and can everyone take a deep breath before making their post please:55

[husavik]

I voted No, I just don't think we need it.

[Zpanther]

heh heh..... Well I see we have the political threads. As I said, doesn't bother me either way.... and if it's here I'll probably post my opinion occasionally.

Be interesting to see how this goes.

[Zpanther]

So how's this political thing going so far Penny?


(Do you still love me?) ;)

[Cotties]

I'd love to know whos idea it was......

[yaser]

(because we are the bosses,real bosses) We are people Yasar people not bosses. If we want to discuss politics and the way our lives are shaped so be it, but please, we are people.:wa:
The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln
November 19th 1863



Famous Speeches Index (http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/index.htm)



"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war.
We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.
The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.
It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honoured dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."


My answer to you Dave that says we are people.

[yaser]

We cannot administer the world according to our pains....and we cannot avoid from pains...because this world is world of pains but we can overcome the pains which gives harm to people which can be possible by active politics of active people...

[spare_change]

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.

[yaser]

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.Never give up,Spare..

[cherokeered]

I'd like to do to a politician what they are always doing to me....

[Knightstriker48]

Does anyone want a forum to discuss the way the world is going. A place to talk about things like local, state and federal govt. Does it belong here?
No, Politics and sex don't mix. just look at what is happening in washington. lol:lmao

[Penny]

That was funny :D

[Polo38]

no need to mess up good sex with bad politics, they make for strange bedfellows

[Zpanther]

no need to mess up good sex with bad politics, they make for strange bedfellows

strange or not..... always been that way..... ever since we've had politicians.

[Cotties]

I don't think we have the women here in bed just yet. When you get them there thats when perheps it should be dropped.no need to mess up good sex with bad politics, they make for strange bedfellows

[Annie]

I don't think we have the women here in bed just yet. When you get them there thats when perheps it should be dropped.

Ummm Cotties... that might be true for you... but let's not make assumptions here.

[tiger50]

Ummm Cotties... that might be true for you... but let's not make assumptions here.

lol kk well when u get inta bed, turn off tha pc...

kk my opinion..
this is a flirting site.. but much more than that, its also a people site... there are many who wish to discuss things other than sex... politics is already on a few threads here... sometimes things may get a bit heated, but i dont see that as unhealthy...
to be honest i dont see any problem... dont take part or if u do, dont be thin skinned... :wa:

[Annie]

lol kk well when u get inta bed, turn off tha pc...

kk my opinion..
this is a flirting site.. but much more than that, its also a people site... there are many who wish to discuss things other than sex... politics is already on a few threads here... sometimes things may get a bit heated, but i dont see that as unhealthy...
to be honest i dont see any problem... dont take part or if u do, dont be thin skinned... :wa:


I don't think we have the women here in bed just yet. When you get them there thats when perheps it should be dropped.

I was referring to what Cotties said about not having the women in bed... not that the subject should be dropped!


.... ok, ok next time we'll turn off the pc!

[tiger50]

I was referring to what Cotties said about not having the women in bed... not that the subject should be dropped!


.... ok, ok next time we'll turn off the pc!

heyyy sorry annie, didnt mean anything by that... it started as an answer, and just carried on to give my opinion... my opologies babe if i offended you... :kk

[Annie]

heyyy sorry annie, didnt mean anything by that... it started as an answer, and just carried on to give my opinion... my opologies babe if i offended you... :kk

:knuddel: Oh Tiger you would really have to try to offend me! You know I still love ya!

[tiger50]

:knuddel: Oh Tiger you would really have to try to offend me! You know I still love ya!

aww thanks babe... luv u too... :D :whee:

[cherokeered]

Well, I guess there was one last night...so maybe it's a moot point now...


Cherokee...don't get me started...
;)

[PlayfulMale69]

Now if anyone says that politics and sex don't mix need to watch the politicians some. After all, if they aren't doing the secretary or intern, they are doing us with new laws. *grin*

I doubt politics intermingled on this site would be a good idea though. If it were on a forum on here, I would never go to it.

Cheers!

[Cotties]

Never is a big word. I might trick you into it one day.. I'm sure if we had a little debat about giving Texas back to Mexico you might give us your input...maybe!:sc Now if anyone says that politics and sex don't mix need to watch the politicians some. After all, if they aren't doing the secretary or intern, they are doing us with new laws. *grin*

I doubt politics intermingled on this site would be a good idea though. If it were on a forum on here, I would never go to it.

Cheers!

[Cotties]

I've already seen you post on a political thread... No to forum and yes to threads....Well, I guess there was one last night...so maybe it's a moot point now...


Cherokee...don't get me started...
;)

[cherokeered]

I've already seen you post on a political thread... No to forum and yes to threads....

Okay...you have me there...I got pulled into it...lol

Cherokee...always speaking her mind...:kk

[hank69]

John Glenn Said:

Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq .
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:

a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...an average of 18,334 per year.
d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .. an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a plater three times by
Sudan and didnothing

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed theTaliban, cripple al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya,
Iran & North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.But It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.


We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.


It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida !!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!

The Military morale is high!


The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.



To be continued in next post

[hank69]

But Wait

There's more!

JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)

Mon. 26 Jan 2004 11:13


Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living.
This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading.
Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank."

"I ask you to go with me... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men... with their mangled bodies, look them in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't
hold a job!"
"You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job!"
"You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags."
"You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?"
"What about you?"

For those who don't remember .. During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Now he's a Senator!

[Zpanther]

Good stuff Hank! :55

[Sandy]

great stuff hank. thanks for posting it. :55

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no politics and religion,,,,,,,don't do it we wan to remain friends here