Bird Flu

[Penny]

Kind of makes me nervous. :(

[Seeker]

I haven't heard of many cases here in the US. At least as far as human cases. But it wouldn't hurt to stay aware of it .....

[Norfolkdave]

Kind of makes me nervous. :(

Dont be nervous your be ok the newspapers always highlight problems your not asthmatic are you

[SirFox]

Oh No. I cannot believe that you guys are talking of this flue.

BBC says that the flue has hit Roumania.

What are we supposed to think? We do know that thousands of chickens have been killed in Asia. Okay, we haev seen the photos of those chickens. Question is....and at this time I wonder who has the answer....is this for real or is this another pharamceutical industry whopper to make more money?

What happens if I am asked whether I want a vaccine? Should I accept or not? Will I get injected with something that will make me line the pockets of people like Pfizer or Merck which has no value at all to fight this junk.

I reserve my personal thoughts about AIDS and other "new" illnesses.

[Penny]

it makes me nervous, i would take the vacine

[Norfolkdave]

it makes me nervous, i would take the vacine

You are safe, I think they are currently talking about bird flu, it hasnt gone to humans yet, and Im 100% the states will be safe , so please hun dont fret :wa:

[Penny]

It is in humans now I think :(

[Barkiss]

I believe I read that 117 people had been infected, and 68 of them had died...I'm looking for the article as proof; however shows you why they are so concerned over the possible mutation.

[Big O]

Cook the damn birds before you eat them!!!

[Barkiss]

From the CDC website...my facts are a little off...

The H5N1 virus does not usually infect humans. In 1997, however, the first case of spread from a bird to a human was seen during an outbreak of bird flu in poultry in Hong Kong. The virus caused severe respiratory illness in 18 people, 6 of whom died. Since that time, there have been other cases of H5N1 infection among humans. Most recently, human cases of H5N1 infection have occurred in Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia during large H5N1 outbreaks in poultry. The death rate for these reported cases has been about 50 percent. Most of these cases occurred from contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces; however, it is thought that a few cases of human-to-human spread of H5N1 have occurred.

[Norfolkdave]

It is in humans now I think :(

Penny love i really think you are worrying for nothing, it hit asia before and we were ok, but if your conconcerned can you get the vaccine? Do you suffer with asthma? or other breathing problems, I really think this time you guys in the states are better off, please try to relax, its the dammed papers and news channels hyperacting again to spread fear:wa:

[Barkiss]

What is the risk to people in the United States from the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Asia?

The current risk to Americans from the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Asia is low. The strain of H5N1 virus found in Asia has not been found in the United States. There have been no human cases of H5N1 flu in the United States. It is possible that travelers returning from affected countries in Asia could be infected. Since February 2004, medical and public health personnel have been watching closely to find any such cases.

[Barkiss]

Is there a vaccine to protect humans from H5N1 virus?

There currently is no vaccine to protect humans against the H5N1 virus that is being seen in Asia. However, vaccine development efforts are under way. Research studies to test a vaccine to protect humans against H5N1 virus began in April 2005.

[Norfolkdave]

What is the risk to people in the United States from the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Asia?

The current risk to Americans from the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Asia is low. The strain of H5N1 virus found in Asia has not been found in the United States. There have been no human cases of H5N1 flu in the United States. It is possible that travelers returning from affected countries in Asia could be infected. Since February 2004, medical and public health personnel have been watching closely to find any such cases.

Barkiss friend you are a man of may talented words, please assurre penny, she has it in her mind that shes going to get it Im telling her shes safe, so perhaps a guy from the states may have a better impact so to speak:wa:

[Barkiss]

I don't think Penny is walking around in a mask just yet, and I'm just posting what I find from the CDC; which is about the closest thing we have to God in the US with regards to viruses. I do think the media is making a big deal out of something that isn't that a big deal yet. It does have the potential to be devastating by their estimations; however, there is nothing the ordinary person can do to prevent it at this time...

[Norfolkdave]

I don't think Penny is walking around in a mask just yet, and I'm just posting what I find from the CDC; which is about the closest thing we have to God in the US with regards to viruses. I do think the media is making a big deal out of something that isn't that a big deal yet. It does have the potential to be devastating by their estimations; however, there is nothing the ordinary person can do to prevent it at this time...

I do agree with you 100% It does have the potential yes but I think that the states id safer than the uk or france, and like you say we cannot stop it yet and I think vaccines will be found long before it hits you and me;)

[Big O]

Just cook em before you eat em!!!!!!!!

[Norfolkdave]

Just cook em before you eat em!!!!!!!!

Well boiled, fried , grilled, plucked, or !!!!!!!!!!!:lmao

[Big O]

Dave, plucked should always start the cooking process!!! lol

BigO

[Norfolkdave]

Dave, plucked should always start the cooking process!!! lol

BigO

I think we can help here;)

[Wyvern75]

The press seems obsessed with the possibility of a pandemic. It seems that they need some crisis to focus on and will probably blame the bird flu (virus) on global warming.

There hasn't been a pandemic in the US since the 1919 Spanish Flu, the flu outbreak of 1957 and the 1967 outbreak. The 1919 outbreak was the cause of many of the American military deaths for the Great War (WWI). My grandfather (father's side) had been evacuated back from France in late Oct 1918 suffering from mustard gas poisoning and once he was mobile the Drs at Ft. Sam Houston (not far from where I am now) in San Antonio, asked him if he had any relatives he could go to and when he said yes, immedicately discharged him from the Army hospital and sent him into the Hill country. Several hundred soldiers died at Ft. Sam Houston through the infection.

If it weren't for the Bird Flu, the press would be talking about small pox breaking out in Asia and Africa, another Hanta Virus outbreak in Arizona (or the threat because of all the rain out there this sumer) or polio coming back or TB being more resistant. Then there is the West Nile Virus that has been killing birds and some large animals that was last year's crisis.

If the bird virus crosses species to human, I hope I can take the "shot" but that will depend on what my Dr says.

[wizardly]

Bird flu is still only animal to human and could mutate but has not yet.Agree with ffox1 ,media overkill and pharmaceutical companies after sales.I would not take any vaccine or pharmaceutical these days.Many vaccines tend to contain heavy metals and other toxic substances.
Work on having a strong immune system,a good colloidal nutritional supplement is essential now our food is lacking minerals ,and barley juice to detoxify and provide antioxidants.
Homeopathy would be safer than vaccines and has been effective in the past in epidemics .Homeopathic forums are discussing bird flu worth checkin out.

[Penny]

CNN says it is in Europe now

[Wet Beaver]

CNN says it is in Europe now

it is in Romania...http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/country/rou/en/

[Norfolkdave]

CNN says it is in Europe now

Yes Penny in Turkey, but i think you are really worrying for nothing ,the strain is H51 at the moment they say it hasnt muted it can only be passed animal to animal, no deaths have been reported in the village in Turkey where it was found, the only deaths associated with it were the poor souls (poultry) workers in Asia. Eros/Lena/ and I live nearer, however Im not worrying, please penney dont worry and news readers/papers hype these things up, this is what our vet minister said; Dr Reynolds described the Turkey findings as a "substantial development" and called for vigilant surveillance of wild and reared birds, although she sought to calm fears by insisting there had been no reports of a human influenza outbreak in Turkey.

H5N1 is currently only thought to be passed to humans through prolonged and close contact with the infected birds.

Samples of the infected birds from the Asian part of Turkey were taken to the Veterinary Laboratory Agency (VLA) in Weybridge on Wednesday morning and tested positive on Thursday.

They came from a turkey farm in Balikesir, in north west Anatolia, where 1,700 birds died as a result of the virus when it was first detected earlier this month. A further 7,600 domestic birds were destroyed and five hectares of land nearby were disinfected.

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[Barkiss]

The World Health Organization said there was "appropriate alarm" each time the virus, particularly the virulent H5N1 strain, shows up in a new country. But it was important to keep the risk to humans in perspective, WHO spokesman Dick Thompson said.

"People confuse it with pandemic influenza, but they're very different diseases," Thompson said. "If people just paid attention to the human risk" from bird flu, they'd understand that "the possibility of infection is very low."

Health officials have been tracking the strain out of concern that it could mutate into a form more easily transmitted between people, and trigger a human pandemic.

At the moment, however, the flu is principally a bird disease. H5N1 has killed about 60 people in Asia, but they were mostly poultry farmers infected directly by birds.

"The spread of H5N1 to poultry in new areas is of concern as it increases opportunities for further human cases to occur," a WHO statement said. "However, all evidence to date indicates that the H5N1 virus does not spread easily from birds to infect humans."

People with fever or respiratory symptoms should be checked because the early symptoms of H5N1 infection mimic those of many other common respiratory illnesses, WHO said. "False alarms are likely."

In Turkey, the H5N1 strain was detected after 1,800 turkeys died on a farm in Kiziksa, 80 miles southwest of Istanbul, but the Turkish government said it has contained the outbreak.

In Romania, authorities have identified a few cases of bird flu, but established only it was the H5 subtype. Further testing was under way to determine the strain.

[Norfolkdave]

I agree entirely with you on this one Im trying my damdest to stop Penny from fretting, can you do it shes I thing getting really worried and at this rate she will make her self very ill, worrying brings stress and it recently stressed me and Im getting over it, penny listen to Barkiss very wise words please.

[Norfolkdave]

it is in Romania...http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/country/rou/en/

I respect you guys are worried I live in an area where ducks migrate too, CLEY in Norfolk iis home to migrating birds, but there is nothing I can do to stop any of this, I personally think the press over act now and again, Barkiss has said wise words, I have copied what our chief vet has said, and I think people are worrying too much. Its firstly got to build itself to a human form, and these people that died worked in the poultry industry and fact of life people are dying from other diseases as it is, I really hand on heart think you are worry terribly. Do you suffer from Asthma!, this country and others cannot give injections because they dont know the format the viris has. Look it upon this way, where the virus was found, have people died in the village, I know and respect that you are concerned, but please try not to be.

[yaser]

Now we have the signs of bird flue in Turkey.I am optimistic about the solutions because the World,on our side EC focuses on the problem.Global problems can be solved globally.I hope at least.

[Wet Beaver]

it is not the same as what is in asia......but becareful ya'll....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4365956.stm

[Norfolkdave]

it is not the same as what is in asia......but becareful ya'll....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4365956.stm

As I rarely watch the TV I wouldnt have known until I got todays paper, thanks WB for letting us know, I think we will be safe, but it had to happen didnt it, someone who was warned but thought of themselves and sod society type. I,ll keep you all informed of on going events now, but try not to worry in the states:wa:

[SirFox]

I am anti-medecine as a general rule since a hospital in Switzerland used me as a lab animal to test medications made by two very prominent labs including the drug that IS SUPPOSED TO "CURE" you of bird flue.

Does anyone have an idea of the number of peopel who have died of the bird flue? We only note people who come into contact with birds, who handle birds.

We are told that a PANDEMIC may hit us. Let us all panic.

Have you looked at the Internet and seen how many articles that commerical companies are proposing to help you deal with BIRD FLU? You will find everything from CLOTHES to SOFTWARE to MEDECINES, HATS ( to prevent the birds from dropping their droppings on your head....Watch out....they may all find targets with our heads....

We must be careful but NOT PANIC and be our own doctors.
Doctors are NOT gods, never were and never will be....they are also human.

Pharmaceutical companies on the other hand...are talking care of making money by giving the impression that they care for our healths.

You want to try an untried natural product which may work against "bird flue" Try PROPOLEO or PROPOLIS. This product is a natural product and is found to help the body against all infections...and is made by the bee.

Whatever it is worth.

[mometal77]

What about that pig epodemic a few yrs back was it in thailand the same thing the world health org went in killed off pigs the army went in and couldnt stop from pig farmers bringing the pigs across the border and it got out of control.. they dont mention this anymore?

[Norfolkdave]

This bird flu I believe is getting out of hand not by the bug itself but by the media, they make the situation worse than what it is. East Anglia is the main breeder of chickens and turkeys for the UK, I eat chicken and turkey and I wont be put off by the press. Everyone is panicking incase it mutates, I personally cannot see that happening if it does, then what can you do about it! panicking wont help will it, thats the trouble with society today, something happens mass panic happens. Lets all stop and think for once, relax and enjoy each minute of our lives, your a long time dead.

[SirFox]

Have you notice how much the press has dropped the subject of Rita, Wilma and other things and have now returned to the questions of Iraq, the inability of the German government to get their heads together to form a government, Skippy, etc?

The Medias are about as concerned about you the private citizen to inform you about the real isssues as the Pharmaceutical labs are concerned about your health.

We need to be doctors, lawyers, press medias and more all rolled into one.

Meanwhile the scientists are upping the ante in the BIRD FLUE business ...and making governments (totally irresponsible and out of control in any case), very nervous.

[Norfolkdave]

Have you notice how much the press has dropped the subject of Rita, Wilma and other things and have now returned to the questions of Iraq, the inability of the German government to get their heads together to form a government, Skippy, etc?

The Medias are about as concerned about you the private citizen to inform you about the real isssues as the Pharmaceutical labs are concerned about your health.

We need to be doctors, lawyers, press medias and more all rolled into one.

Meanwhile the scientists are upping the ante in the BIRD FLUE business ...and making governments (totally irresponsible and out of control in any case), very nervous.

We have had animal diseases for hundreds of years, deaths occurr from other scources, I feel the government of many countries could do more, but they dont they like to over-react, and anything like Blair they are hot air. General flu can kill thousands, and to say we could have a pandemic is ridiculous. :wa: