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tt
10-12-2007, 04:28 PM
Did you know that the Constitution of the United States of America mentions religion only two (02) times.

Article VI -

All Senators and Representative before mentioned, and the members of several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, sahll be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The First Amendment -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excerise thereof...."

Article 2 -

Oath of Office, President of the United States.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affimation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to be the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

No reference to God is made.

(Cornell University Law School)

p.a
10-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Did you know that the Constitution of the United States of America mentions religion only two (02) times.

Article VI -

All Senators and Representative before mentioned, and the members of several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, sahll be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The First Amendment -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excerise thereof...."

Article 2 -

Oath of Office, President of the United States.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affimation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to be the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

No reference to God is made.

(Cornell University Law School)
I believe that was by design so as not to piss off the atheist member of the constitutional congress whom I believe was Ben Franklin if memory serves me well.

Iwantutowantme
10-12-2007, 11:08 PM
what do you expect from a bunch of masons........ = illunanists..

spare_change
10-15-2007, 04:32 AM
Did you know that the Constitution of the United States of America mentions religion only two (02) times.

Article VI -

All Senators and Representative before mentioned, and the members of several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, sahll be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The First Amendment -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excerise thereof...."

Article 2 -

Oath of Office, President of the United States.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affimation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to be the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

No reference to God is made.

(Cornell University Law School)


Yes, as a matter of fact, I did know.

What's your point?

mrdiscreet
10-15-2007, 04:43 AM
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did know.

What's your point?

Oh, Spare, in these times of the religious right constantly seeking inroads into our public schools and institutions, I think it is a point well made: that we must be ever-vigilant to maintain separation between church and state.

So that Quaker women are never again hanged for venturing into Massachusetts. Or life imporsionment imposed for questioning the infallability of the bible. The perils of state-empowered religion were not abstract matters to our founding fathers.

Bravo, Traveler.

spare_change
10-15-2007, 04:44 AM
Oh, Spare, in these times of the religious right constantly seeking inroads into our public schools and institutions, I think it is a point well made: that we must be ever-vigilant to maintain separation between church and state.

So that Quaker women are never again hanged for venturing into Massachusetts. Or life imporsionment imposed for questioning the infallability of the bible. The perils of state-empowered religion were not abstract matters to our founding fathers.

Bravo, Traveler.


Oh, I couldn't agree more -- there is nothing more threatening to the American way of life than religion -- we should just ban it completely!

mrdiscreet
10-15-2007, 04:48 AM
Oh, I couldn't agree more -- there is nothing more threatening to the American way of life than religion -- we should just ban it completely!

Not sure where the ban concept came from, ban it from your own life as you wish.

But both religion and government fare much better apart. What is the Robert Frost line? Fences make good neighbors?

spare_change
10-15-2007, 04:51 AM
Not sure where the ban concept came from, ban it from your own life as you wish.

But both religion and government fare much better apart. What is the Robert Frost line? Fences make good neighbors?


I couldn't agree more -- there is nothing worse for our country's future than leaders who think of honesty, charity, and goodness. We must move immediately strike these from our social systems.

mrdiscreet
10-15-2007, 04:59 AM
I couldn't agree more -- there is nothing worse for our country's future than leaders who think of honesty, charity, and goodness. We must move immediately strike these from our social systems.

Interesting non sequiturs.

Public displays of piety -- like public wearing of flag lapel pins -- fail to impress me.

spare_change
10-15-2007, 05:01 AM
Interesting non sequiturs.

Public displays of piety -- like public wearing of flag lapel pins -- fail to impress me.


Somebody cares what impresses you --- just not me.

mrdiscreet
10-15-2007, 05:11 AM
Somebody cares what impresses you --- just not me.

Pretending to nice again? I thought you dropped being a mod. :D

tt
10-15-2007, 11:30 AM
Interesting non sequiturs.

Public displays of piety -- like public wearing of flag lapel pins -- fail to impress me.

Yes, but flag pins mean nothing, but look like they mean something. An empty gesture meant to impart a feeling that does not exist. By wearing a useless piece of metal, shapped like flag implies that one can "Love America." while doing absolutely nothing.

Kinda like saying "I read the Bible." which also means nothing.

mrdiscreet
10-15-2007, 05:54 PM
I couldn't agree more -- there is nothing worse for our country's future than leaders who think of honesty, charity, and goodness. We must move immediately strike these from our social systems.

From (I assume) taking an oath to defend the constitution to belittling separation of church and state.

From a mod to a provoking a locked thread inside of a week.

Respect for authority only so long as it suits personal desires.

These relative values conservatives are so hard to keep marching in a straight line!

spare_change
10-16-2007, 04:09 AM
From (I assume) taking an oath to defend the constitution to belittling separation of church and state.

From a mod to a provoking a locked thread inside of a week.

Respect for authority only so long as it suits personal desires.

These relative values conservatives are so hard to keep marching in a straight line!


Well, I got to give you credit -- this makes no sense at all -- I have no idea what you are talking about.

spare_change
10-16-2007, 04:09 AM
Yes, but flag pins mean nothing, but look like they mean something. An empty gesture meant to impart a feeling that does not exist. By wearing a useless piece of metal, shapped like flag implies that one can "Love America." while absolutely nothing.

Kinda like saying "I read the Bible." which also means nothing.



You're right, of course -- it means nothing .....


.... unless it means something.

tt
10-20-2007, 01:58 PM
You're right, of course -- it means nothing .....


.... unless it means something.

Yep, It MEANS ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING WHATSOEVER.

It means you buy the lie. What does that say about YOU????