2000 Soldiers

[spare_change]

Yesterday, the 2000th US soldier died in Iraq.

Is that a small price to pay for the freedom of a million people, for the chance for democracy to gain a foothold in the Middle East?

Or, is a terrible price to pay in war about oil, and Halliburton, for a war created by Bush to take care of his corporate buddies, and to finish a job his father should have?

Where do you stand?

[Sandy]

no war is goodbut we have to be aBLE TO DEFEND OURSELVES ALSO. I HAD A CLOSE FRIEND OVER THERE HE CAME SAFE AND SOUND THANK GOD. BUT MY BEST FRIEND HAS BOTH I REPEAT BOTH OF HER SONS OVER THERE. so do we let them get away with the world trade center HELL NO.

[Wet Beaver]

Yesterday, the 2000th US soldier died in Iraq.

Is that a small price to pay for the freedom of a million people, for the chance for democracy to gain a foothold in the Middle East?

Or, is a terrible price to pay in war about oil, and Halliburton, for a war created by Bush to take care of his corporate buddies, and to finish a job his father should have?

Where do you stand?

my son is over there...it is not a war about oil...or halliburton....or bush takeing care of his buddies....we had the oil after the first gulf war, which my hubby was in... beside..it would have been easier to take over mexico or the other south american countries thats supplies us with oil....maybe even canada...they have lots of oil....

[Wet Beaver]

Yesterday, the 2000th US soldier died in Iraq.

Is that a small price to pay for the freedom of a million people, for the chance for democracy to gain a foothold in the Middle East?

Or, is a terrible price to pay in war about oil, and Halliburton, for a war created by Bush to take care of his corporate buddies, and to finish a job his father should have?

Where do you stand?

btw there are only two companies in the world that does what Halliburton does...Halliburton and a French one...who should have the jobs??

[Annie]

It's a small price to pay for the freedom a million.

[Seeker]

2000 people die each DAY on our roadways, for far less noble causes. While I agree, there is no such thing as a 'good war', there are times when defence of the nation is needed! As well as security for the rest of the world.

[Penny]

Politics and religion are dangerous waters amongst friends :(

[Wet Beaver]

Politics and religion are dangerous waters amongst friends :(

bravo penny.......

[Penny]

My husband actually wont talk to a long time friend anymore because of one stupid night out talking about politics. Its amazing how people can see things so diferently :(

[Wet Beaver]

My husband actually wont talk to a long time friend anymore because of one stupid night out talking about politics. Its amazing how people can see things so diferently :(

yea it is..... my husband told me once.. if someone wanted to work for wells and fargo stage coach company...they had to sign a letter that stated that they would not talk about ..poltics or reglion with the passangers.....

[spare_change]

Politics and religion are dangerous waters amongst friends :(

Tis true, but intelligent discussion between intelligent people is the lifeblood of growth and charity. To those who don’t discuss politics, religion or points of law, I have two things to say:

1- Now that you have eliminated all the relevant, interesting and important issues facing mankind, what shall we discuss - the weather?

2- "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality " - Dante Alighieri, Italian poet


Course, I have a tough time finding anyone intelligent to talk to !:lmao

[spare_change]

My husband actually wont talk to a long time friend anymore because of one stupid night out talking about politics. Its amazing how people can see things so diferently :(

It's nice to know there are still men of principle and character left in this world. I thought they had all been washed away on the tide of political correctness.

My hat is off to your husband!

[Norfolkdave]

Our country was attacked by callous hatred innocent lives lost through these murderous !!!!!!! Our troops are over there too, trying to scourge out these terrorists, there is so much I would like to say, however a safer middle east is a safer world, but its a war that is going to go on and on isnt it!, and now Teran are involved supplying bomb parts to these insurgents more English troops are being bombed and maimed too, but somehow we got to find a solution, what was it all over Oil wasnt it? Bush and the UL Prime Minister senior went to war with Bagdad because Saddam Hussein invaded Kiawait, then bush and our Prime Minister should have finished Sadden Hussein then. Now all these years later the middle east erups again, Having got no children, doesnt mean I dont care, I do, I feel so sorry for what the troops are going through, "hell" at there ages. Then the sad loss of life of young men and women, and what it must be like back at home. These terrorists must be ousted for if not then the next war will end all our lives and the frigtening reality is out there with North Koprea building its atom plants.......Am I right in replying I dont know, thats my views.

[illmakeurtoeswiggle]

It's nice to know there are still men of principle and character left in this world. I thought they had all been washed away on the tide of political correctness.

My hat is off to your husband!

Well said Spare, well said!
Political correctness has ruined our nation...taken away our basic rights and furthered hatred in man. Just like all of the governments "quick fixes" it has brought our nation lower...

[Norfolkdave]

I support you both in your words of wisdom

[MCat]

Or, is a terrible price to pay in war about oil, and Halliburton, for a war created by Bush to take care of his corporate buddies, and to finish a job his father should have?

Where do you stand?

I tend to lean this way....one life is too many if you ask me....:cry:

[MCat]

Politics and religion are dangerous waters amongst friends :(

I agree....

[MCat]

I guess both sides have good points....our freedom is very important and we should not just sit back and let whomever attack us...I know if one of my family members would have been killed in 911 then I would have wanted to wipe the bastards out....War just seems to drag on and on....it is never really taken care of, it is never really over... Its not about oil....its about not letting them get away with destroying our country. I still think we should stop letting people from the middle east come into the United States...at least for now.

[Norfolkdave]

Here here Mary totally agree, same as in the UK if out government thought of the people they would send the bastards back and not let people in, but no Blair is too far up his own arse to see daylight. He would rather be travelling to europe than putting our country right, The poor souls that lost their lives there families are still ewaiting for money, and those injured get pittance and still not been paid, and where was Blair when the terrorists attacked in bloody eypt on holiday, did he come back did he hell, thats how much he thinks of people in this country. Ooh my blood boils, our government are wimps.

[Big O]

Just remember we are not just waging war in the middle east. We are fighting a war here at home everyday safeguarding our border, ports, bridges and everything else that we have here. 911 definately changed my life as it did yours.
These cowards wage a war of fear and they must be rooted out and taken care of. The problem is that as we take out one there is another one ready to take it's place. I don't have a solution but there is a hatred of us from those scumbags. I think alot of it has to do with religion. They have no problem dying because Allah will take care of them after they die.
I hate seeing all the troops and citizens of Iraq dying from hidden bombs or suicide bombers. We need to be more aggresive with these terrorists because this is a problem that is not going to go away.
BigO

[spare_change]

Just remember we are not just waging war in the middle east. We are fighting a war here at home everyday safeguarding our border, ports, bridges and everything else that we have here. 911 definately changed my life as it did yours.
These cowards wage a war of fear and they must be rooted out and taken care of. The problem is that as we take out one there is another one ready to take it's place. I don't have a solution but there is a hatred of us from those scumbags. I think alot of it has to do with religion. They have no problem dying because Allah will take care of them after they die.
I hate seeing all the troops and citizens of Iraq dying from hidden bombs or suicide bombers. We need to be more aggresive with these terrorists because this is a problem that is not going to go away.
BigO


Man ..... you bring tears to my eyes! Well said.

[spare_change]

I guess both sides have good points....our freedom is very important and we should not just sit back and let whomever attack us...I know if one of my family members would have been killed in 911 then I would have wanted to wipe the bastards out....War just seems to drag on and on....it is never really taken care of, it is never really over... Its not about oil....its about not letting them get away with destroying our country. I still think we should stop letting people from the middle east come into the United States...at least for now.

It does seem to drag on, doesn't it? But, when we look at history -- WW2 was 7 years, WW1 was 6 years -- we occupied Japan for 7 years after WW2 - It took Germany 6 years to develop its constitution (Iraq has done it in two -- and under significantly more difficult political conditions). Maybe they aren't doing so bad after all --

But, the one thing we can be sure of -- the war against evil and inhumanity will never be over. We cannot tire - we must endure, and in the end, we will triumph.

[markjami]

Our country was attacked by callous hatred innocent lives lost through these murderous !!!!!!! Our troops are over there too, trying to scourge out these terrorists, there is so much I would like to say, however a safer middle east is a safer world, but its a war that is going to go on and on isnt it!, and now Teran are involved supplying bomb parts to these insurgents more English troops are being bombed and maimed too, but somehow we got to find a solution, what was it all over Oil wasnt it? Bush and the UL Prime Minister senior went to war with Bagdad because Saddam Hussein invaded Kiawait, then bush and our Prime Minister should have finished Sadden Hussein then. Now all these years later the middle east erups again, Having got no children, doesnt mean I dont care, I do, I feel so sorry for what the troops are going through, "hell" at there ages. Then the sad loss of life of young men and women, and what it must be like back at home. These terrorists must be ousted for if not then the next war will end all our lives and the frigtening reality is out there with North Koprea building its atom plants.......Am I right in replying I dont know, thats my views.


I agree. My best friend just returned fro Iraq and said that the common folks in Iraq want us there and are afraid what will happen if we leave to soon

[spare_change]

Our country was attacked by callous hatred innocent lives lost through these murderous !!!!!!! Our troops are over there too, trying to scourge out these terrorists, there is so much I would like to say, however a safer middle east is a safer world, but its a war that is going to go on and on isnt it!, and now Teran are involved supplying bomb parts to these insurgents more English troops are being bombed and maimed too, but somehow we got to find a solution, what was it all over Oil wasnt it? Bush and the UL Prime Minister senior went to war with Bagdad because Saddam Hussein invaded Kiawait, then bush and our Prime Minister should have finished Sadden Hussein then. Now all these years later the middle east erups again, Having got no children, doesnt mean I dont care, I do, I feel so sorry for what the troops are going through, "hell" at there ages. Then the sad loss of life of young men and women, and what it must be like back at home. These terrorists must be ousted for if not then the next war will end all our lives and the frigtening reality is out there with North Koprea building its atom plants.......Am I right in replying I dont know, thats my views.

Dave --- All too often, we Americans forget that others suffer beside us. We get wrapped up in our own losses, and don't recognize the sacrifices of others. Under the constant barrage of criticism from other countries, it sometimes seems that we stand alone. But, believe me, we recognize your sacrifices, and acknowledge your pain. We just don't tell you that often enough. For that, I sincerely apologize --

I am especially interested in the viewpoint of our international members -- too often, we adopt a myopic view of world events - looking at it from only our perspective. It would be refreshing to see it thru another's eyes.

[Norfolkdave]

Dave --- All too often, we Americans forget that others suffer beside us. We get wrapped up in our own losses, and don't recognize the sacrifices of others. Under the constant barrage of criticism from other countries, it sometimes seems that we stand alone. But, believe me, we recognize your sacrifices, and acknowledge your pain. We just don't tell you that often enough. For that, I sincerely apologize --

I am especially interested in the viewpoint of our international members -- too often, we adopt a myopic view of world events - looking at it from only our perspective. It would be refreshing to see it thru another's eyes.

My friend firstly you dont have to appologise, What these terrorists have done is cowardly, they are evil pieces if shit and they live their lives in this country too a country that has housed them and fed them, and they say they wage war they are cowards. When I look at the news its always says about lives lost in Iraq soliders lives and I feel hurt when I hear it, its dreadful. They cant fight and face others its all done with bombs and in a cowardly way, and in groups, they are not men they are just pieces of dirt. Im sorry for going off like this, I only wish i could join up Id show them what a real man could do, and I would die for my country.

[firefly]

Everyone has good points on both sides of the issue....and is entitled to their own beliefs. I agree that no war is good, but things need to be settled. If we don't stand up and fight things will just get even worse I believe. But whatever a person's view on the war what really bothers me is the nonsupport of the troops. Every man and woman in the military freely signed up for duty, most truly believe in what they are doing and are proud to serve. Yet when they return home it is to protest and ugly name calling. I had a friend who was stationed in Iraq and saw 3 of his buddies killed....and when thier unit came back there was a protest going on outside of their base with people shouting ugly things at them. Most of us are proud of our country and our troops, but all it takes it a few self rightous people to be detrimental to morale.
Ok....I'll get off of my soap box now.

[Norfolkdave]

Here her firefly well said,

[SirFox]

We are talking political viewpoints.

this one might have a few things to say about many current affairs..and I suspect that most people will not like my views on anything. Political views all over the Planet tend to heat up the atmosphere and to kill relationships.

[spare_change]

We are talking political viewpoints.

this one might have a few things to say about many current affairs..and I suspect that most people will not like my views on anything. Political views all over the Planet tend to heat up the atmosphere and to kill relationships.

You, of course, have the right to withhold your view. But, sometimes a little heat helps to make the sauce come out just right.

[Penny]

I have some strong opinions but expressing them here will only alienate half the people here and start a war.:( Let me say I pray for all our soldiers everyday and hope they all return safe. I hate the bastards that attacked us and hope they all get what is coming to them.

[Big O]

Well you just said it!!!!!!!

[firefly]

Amen Penny....well said!

[spare_change]

I have some strong opinions but expressing them here will only alienate half the people here and start a war.:( Let me say I pray for all our soldiers everyday and hope they all return safe. I hate the bastards that attacked us and hope they all get what is coming to them.


Awww, Penny -- too late to walk on eggshells. Besides, i think we understand your point of view now.

[Penny]

I am sure everyone here feels the same way but when you start talking about should we be there and whos fault it is. That is when the trouble will start :(

[Annie]

I come here for fun and games. I don't mind talking about most serious subjects here but this particular subject tugs at my heart a bit too much and makes it a lot less fun for me to be here. I want to get away from the worst realities of life while I am here... especially this one. I don't want be here looking for fun and games only to face the ugliest of all realities. I have my own time to deal with the ugly facts and my own group of friends to that with and I don't want to do that here as well.

[SirFox]

Thank you Annie and Penny for expressing your views. When one disects your viewpoints and others as well, I can see that you both hurt for different reasons.

The world has become a nasty place to live in. The subject matter of these current events FAR OUTWEIGHS that of the United States or any stand of particular country in Europe. WE are talking of the WORLD. The subjects that we could start to embark on will heat things up and will not necessarily make people re-think their positions.

While the subjects that could well be discussed relate to the events this side of September 2001, I do believe that they encompass problems which have been around for ages, which have different solutions. These problems are so serious that they are not only American but they are World problems with no real solutions. While the subjects that could well be discussed are WORLD problems and not only American in nature, they CANNOT be overlooked as the FUTURE OF HUMANITY is at stake.


I strongly believe that this Married and Flirting Forum is NOT the place for this type of discussion even though I love a political discussion.

Annie is correct in saying that she comes to MARRIED AND FLIRTING for a little fun and games. I also come here for the same as my job is very stressful and it is a way for me to decompress.

In conclusion, I think that while current affairs is a neat subject it must be very restricted otherwise we can rename MARRIED AND FLIRTING.

[spare_change]

Ffox --

I find it amazing that I could so strongly agree AND disagree with someone all in the same post. Let me count the ways --

"The world has become a nasty place to live in. The subject matter of these current events FAR OUTWEIGHS that of the United States or any stand of particular country in Europe. WE are talking of the WORLD." I absolutely agree. This IS a problem for the world to resolve. So, why aren't they?

"These problems are so serious that they are not only American but they are World problems with no real solutions. While the subjects that could well be discussed are WORLD problems and not only American in nature, they CANNOT be overlooked as the FUTURE OF HUMANITY is at stake." Amen, brother. So, tell me, why is that so many countries choose to sit on the sidelines while a few must fight this battle for them? Why is the sacrifice made by so few, when so many benefit from their spilled blood? Why do so many find it easy to sit and pontificate, but are unwilling to take up the cudgel? By your own words, you admit your interest in its resolution - that you have a vested stake in the outcome. These problems are not uniquely American, I agree, then, why is it that only America and its friends are willing to step to the front, to stand up and be counted? We listen to all the others - don't go to war, negotiate, use diplomacy -- and then, when we investigate the rationale for this Chamberlainesque profundity, we find $600 million contracts for atomic energy plants (think Chirac), and $400 million agreements for weapons (think Putin) that funnel directly into the politician's pockets.

Sorry, my friend, if you aren't willing to solve the problem, we will solve it for you -- and if you don't like the solution we propose, get off the sidelines and get in the game. Until you have walked the streets of Baghdad or kicked the dust in Fallujah, as I have and as some of the husbands and sons of others member have, do not even begin to suggest that you understand the problem, or what we are accomplishing there. Until you have looked into the eyes of a 68 year old woman who lost her husband and two sons to Saddam, and had to watch her daughter be raped by 14 Republican Guard soldiers BEFORE her skin was peeled from her stomach and chest, don't even think you understand why we are there.

Now -- for the real issue at hand. I am incensed that you would presume to censor this forum just because you don't like what is being said. To even begin to suggest that this forum be restricted is an insult to the intelligence of every member of this site. If you don't like the Current Events and Real Life forum, then I suggest you exercise your right and stay out of it. Most members are fully capable of making the personal decision whether or not to get involved with one of these subjects. They do not need your guidance, or Penny's, to decide if they want to read it. Annie, for example, knows now what this particular thread is about. She is smart enough to just stay away from it, if it bothers her. Like her, I have pain too -- my nephew didn't come back - his brother is there now --- and a lot of those injured or killed were from my town. We all find our therapies in different ways.

The real harm is the danger that Penny may, in an attempt to avert controversy, stifle conversations such as these. But, I strongly believe that any discourse, whether civilized or raucous, can only serve the greater good. i hope that she realizes, as I am sure you do, that people can have differing opinions, yell and scream at each other, and still remain friends. Just don't ask me to dinner -- the discussion would ruin a good brandy and a fine cigar!

[Norfolkdave]

Wow Spare, you have a way with words and so right too. I think debates like this are fine to disguss but can be politicley heated, but then yes we can stay away we need not read posts, I have said my views and stand 100% behind them. The bombings in this country on the transport system brought back memories of the 70s when the IRA were about, and being a driver it was horrendous trapped in tunnels and not knowing, and now years later these bastards from this country blew innocent lives apart, they want throwing to sharks then lets see how brave these cowards are.

[Norfolkdave]

I am sure everyone here feels the same way but when you start talking about should we be there and whos fault it is. That is when the trouble will start :(

We wouldnt hurt your feelings at all, ( well i wouldnt and im not crawling) I can see your point, as others thats why its so good to have a site like this, this site is our lives every post we answer is us, and we are all mature to see this unique window of life, ( your site) and a post like spares is life. Its a fantastic and warm place to be, you and heaterman have built a home, a home where the simplist post is personal, fun, sexy, but real, so a debate like this which is contriversal and hard for some, is the life of this site which has members the world over, and affects us in some way, but like spare says and I agree if the problem is with the world, why is it only some of the countries help while others are on the sideline, if we were to unite Im sure we could erridate the carnage of terror. Now dont fall out with me I have read your views

[SirFox]

Spare,

I appreciate your comments, and I understand them because it just happens that I was in the Middle East and in Africa a long time ago although not as a soldier.

My posting was to ask a simple question and that was whether we should be talking about the issues that you actually brought up. I did not suggest censorship. I did not suggest anything at all. In fact I was just asking the Forum whether it was such a good idea to discuss these matters.

You took the words out of my mouth in the sense that the World has become so politicized that it has become almost impossible to express other opinions.

To all problems there are solutions. There is never ONE solution which completely resolves the problem. The solution found is usually the lesser of two evils.

I note that you started the debate. I note that I feel crucified and the feeling is not a good one. You do not know my ideas nor where I am coming from. I understand your anger. Your anger makes me angry as well.

Have a nice day.

[Penny]

I can see the name calling and swearing coming soon :(

[spare_change]

I can see the name calling and swearing coming soon :(


LOL --- give us some credit for maturity -- limited though it may be! He expressed his view, and i expressed mine. I think we can agree to disagree --- no reason for it to go any further.

[SirFox]

LOL --- give us some credit for maturity -- limited though it may be! He expressed his view, and i expressed mine. I think we can agree to disagree --- no reason for it to go any further.

Please be advised that I did not give any of my views on the subject matter which was posted by SPARE. That does not pose a problem although I believe that in the States the right of rebuttal is still a freedom?

It is not my attention to go into foul language or start using names. SPARE is correct: we are mature to discern, however, we have to be very, very careful of these discussions as they could generate to become potentially hazardous and personal grudges. I would not like that at all to happen here.

I came here for some R and R...from my stressful job.

[Penny]

Exactly this place takes me away from the usual problems and headaches that make the day drag by. Here I am a princess not a bitch Here I am special and not hoe hum. Thats what everyone needs from time to time :)

[SirFox]

Without wanting to lay it on thick ( We will let Heaterman do that, eh?), you should continue to be a Princess, Penny.
(Sad Smile)

[Norfolkdave]

Exactly this place takes me away from the usual problems and headaches that make the day drag by. Here I am a princess not a bitch Here I am special and not hoe hum. Thats what everyone needs from time to time :)

You are special, you are one hell of a hostess and a hostess with the mostess and the site as I personally keep saying is the best:wa:

[Penny]

I was talking in general lol not meaning I am a princess but that this place can make us all feel better about ourselves :)



Without wanting to lay it on thick ( We will let Heaterman do that, eh?), you should continue to be a Princess, Penny.
(Sad Smile)

[Annie]

I came here for some R and R...from my stressful job.

Exactly! I think many of us come here for that reason. The question I have is this. It seems to me that there are a few members that are uncomfortable with this topic. There are those of us who are actually hurt by this thread and many more who are concerned about the "tone" this thread will create.

With these things in mind, does the need for this topic to be here outweigh the pain and discomfort it generates among the current members? Not in my mind!

Another thing is that I have grown to care about many people I've come to know here. That is part of why I keep coming back. I love meeting new people here as well. How many great new people will sign on here, have fun for a day or two and then come to this hurtful thread and never come back?

Is it worth it? I don't think so. Just my $ .02.

[Norfolkdave]

Exactly! I think many of us come here for that reason. The question I have is this. It seems to me that there are a few members that are uncomfortable with this topic. There are those of us who are actually hurt by this thread and many more who are concerned about the "tone" this thread will create.

With these things in mind, does the need for this topic to be here outweigh the pain and discomfort it generates among the current members? Not in my mind!

Another thing is that I have grown to care about many people I've come to know here. That is part of why I keep coming back. I love meeting new people here as well. How many great new people will sign on here, have fun for a day or two and then come to this hurtful thread and never come back?

Is it worth it? I don't think so. Just my $ .02.

Your views are important, I wont say anymore I dont want to hurt peoples feelngs this site is my escape and is pretty valued by myself too

[mometal77]

I always liked the saying how can you tell if a politician is lying they are both on tv calling each other a liar. A good friend of mine was over there in the 80s he found out that those people have been fighting well over the existance of the united states. I find with bosnia and the un not caring over a country that came in raped and killed innocent people who really cares. We have enough oil until the extinction of man anyways there never will be a shortage. I think presidents like to play there own little war and our next cold war will be with north korea. More worse things are going on in this world and the media is taking a blind side to it. What north korea is doing to there people is almost as worse as what hitler and dr death did to the jews. My two bits..
bobby

[Annie]

Ffox --

Now -- for the real issue at hand. I am incensed that you would presume to censor this forum just because you don't like what is being said. To even begin to suggest that this forum be restricted is an insult to the intelligence of every member of this site. If you don't like the Current Events and Real Life forum, then I suggest you exercise your right and stay out of it. Most members are fully capable of making the personal decision whether or not to get involved with one of these subjects. They do not need your guidance, or Penny's, to decide if they want to read it. Annie, for example, knows now what this particular thread is about. She is smart enough to just stay away from it, if it bothers her. Like her, I have pain too -- my nephew didn't come back - his brother is there now --- and a lot of those injured or killed were from my town. We all find our therapies in different ways.

The real harm is the danger that Penny may, in an attempt to avert controversy, stifle conversations such as these. But, I strongly believe that any discourse, whether civilized or raucous, can only serve the greater good. i hope that she realizes, as I am sure you do, that people can have differing opinions, yell and scream at each other, and still remain friends. Just don't ask me to dinner -- the discussion would ruin a good brandy and a fine cigar!

Spare, are you assuming that because someone puts up a web site for adults that any topic is fair game? The title says what the intended themes should be as in "Flirting" and just because a topic is "current" does not mean it should be used to set the tone of forum that is intended for a little light-hearted playtime. That falls under the heading of "Highjacking the Forum" and I think you have done a magnificent job of it.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that more people come here to get away from this than to discuss it.

[mometal77]

I have seen some forums get ruined over this and people left. Some do get anal too damb anal about a topic.

Spare, are you assuming that because someone puts up a web site for adults that any topic is fair game? The title says what the intended themes should be as in "Flirting" and just because a topic is "current" does not mean it should be used to set the tone of forum that is intended for a little light-hearted playtime. That falls under the heading of "Highjacking the Forum" and I think you have done a magnificent job of it.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that more people come here to get away from this than to discuss it.

[spare_change]

Spare, are you assuming that because someone puts up a web site for adults that any topic is fair game? The title says what the intended themes should be as in "Flirting" and just because a topic is "current" does not mean it should be used to set the tone of forum that is intended for a little light-hearted playtime. That falls under the heading of "Highjacking the Forum" and I think you have done a magnificent job of it.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that more people come here to get away from this than to discuss it.

Yes, Annie, that is exactly what I am saying. All topics are fair game -- or should be. Those people who do not want to talk or read about current events and real life would be well advised to stay away from a Forum called "Current Events and Real Life". I am guessing that you could expect to find current event and real life stuff being discussed there. Those who do wish to talk about those things should be free to do so without worrying about the thought police.

So, my position is read and post what you like, and don't read or post what you don't want to. AND, allow me the privilege of doing the same.

But, hey, what do I know?

[Annie]

Yes, Annie, that is exactly what I am saying. All topics are fair game -- or should be. Those people who do not want to talk or read about current events and real life would be well advised to stay away from a Forum called "Current Events and Real Life". I am guessing that you could expect to find current event and real life stuff being discussed there. Those who do wish to talk about those things should be free to do so without worrying about the thought police.

So, my position is read and post what you like, and don't read or post what you don't want to. AND, allow me the privilege of doing the same.

But, hey, what do I know?

Then maybe when I learned "there is a time and place for everything" I got confused. Maybe I just like some parts of being 'polically correct" or maybe it's just a respect for the idea that this has never been a forum for politics, there are hundred of other places on the web for that. There others will welcome your ideas and debate with you.

You say I don't need to come to the current events forum? It's too late I've been here, and like a train wreck the only way for me to not look is to remove myself from Married and Flirting entirely.

[want2]

First let me say, I support the troops fighting this war. I do not however, support this war. It has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. There were no WMD, the terrorist who flew that used our planes against us weren't from Iraq and didn't use Iraqi money to fund their horrible mission. Yet, the group/people responsible are still free and ready to go again. Osama Bin Laden is not in Iraq and our government knows it. If this war was about the horrible attrocities committed by Saddam Hussein against his own people, I would support that. But to fabricate an enemy to support his own agenda? I don't know how George Bush can look in a mirror without seeing 2000 families staring back at him. I know quite a few of you will disagree with me, but I had to speak my mind.

[Norfolkdave]

Annie Please dont go

[MCat]

Exactly this place takes me away from the usual problems and headaches that make the day drag by. Here I am a princess not a bitch Here I am special and not hoe hum. Thats what everyone needs from time to time :)

Let me see now....in this place I am a nice 48 year old woman (not bad looking, kinda pretty in fact) who loves to talk about sex, who likes to imagine all these fellas window peeking on me and Hank.

In real life I am a 48 year old woman ( not bad looking ) chubby, cool job, bitchy and don't talk about sex much.

I would rather be the me thats here all the time.

[Norfolkdave]

Let me see now....in this place I am a nice 48 year old woman (not bad looking, kinda pretty in fact) who loves to talk about sex, who likes to imagine all these fellas window peeking on me and Hank.

In real life I am a 48 year old woman ( not bad looking ) chubby, cool job, bitchy and don't talk about sex much.

I would rather be the me thats here all the time.

I am a nice 48 year old woman (not bad looking, kinda pretty in fact) who loves to talk about sex, who likes to imagine all these fellas window peeking on me and Hank.:D I said you was didnt I, the truth comes out eventually:wa:

[Penny]

See that is what I was afraid of. :( Even in a place like this real life happens and people have strong feelings and beliefs. Sometimes knowing a thread like this exist is enough to make you feel uncomfortable and sometimes you have to read it. Just becuase its here.
This is my fault for starting this forum. I did it to bring in more people that had different ideas and felt uncomfortable talking about their sex lives. They wanted a place to talk about other things. I can try to make this forum not show up on the front page but I just cant censor it or remove it now that it is here even though its not popular.
Annie please reconsider and dont leave.

It's too late I've been here, and like a train wreck the only way for me to not look is to remove myself from Married and Flirting entirely.

[GeekMaster]

IMHO...


The ability to use the "Back" button is a privilege we all have the right to exercise any time we wish.

[Norfolkdave]

See that is what I was afraid of. :( Even in a place like this real life happens and people have strong feelings and beliefs. Sometimes knowing a thread like this exist is enough to make you feel uncomfortable and sometimes you have to read it. Just becuase its here.
This is my fault for starting this forum. I did it to bring in more people that had different ideas and felt uncomfortable talking about their sex lives. They wanted a place to talk about other things. I can try to make this forum not show up on the front page but I just cant censor it or remove it now that it is here even though its not popular.
Mary please reconsider and dont leave.

Thankyou Penny very much appreciated here

[Big O]

Personaly, I love the fact that we can post different topics here. I love to flirt and chat with everyone here, but I think that we can also bring up topics that become involved with our lives. If this site was around back in the forties, don't you think there would be a thread about Hitler? If it was around in the fifties would there be a thread about Korea?? If it was around in the sixties would there be a site about the Bay of Pigs or Vietnan? I think there would!
Yes, we all do love to get away from our everyday ho hum life, but I think that because we are friends, and want to discuss issues other than sex and flirting there is nothing wrong with this thread. I hate censorship! I totaly agree with Spare(Here I am taking sides), but if you don't want to read what's in the post then don't go there. I have absolutly no interest in several threads here and I don't go there.
So, here I am on my soap box,.... Please, if you feel offended then don't read the thread.

I say a prayer to of the men and women that are in harms way everyday. Not just the Americans either. I don't like hearing about loss of life anymore than the rest of you do, but until someone comes up with a better plan I will support the plan in place.
BigO

[Sandy]

i love this site as much as you guys do. but spare change is right you should read the post first if you don't like it or don't want to comment don't go to it. penny thats whats so great about this site you let us say what we want and how we feel please don't change that. everybody is entitled to their say. and we all have differnt things to say as lond as its done nicely and nobody gets hurt let it go. :wa:

[Jy]

Spare brought up a sensitive subject for all of us, and I won't be sharing my opinion about war here or anywhere on this site. That's my perogative. Just like it's spare perogative to start this thread.

Maybe some people don't feel comfortable talking about masturbation, or threesomes, or sex toys, or whatever. Then they should avoid the threads that talk about those topics. Maybe some don't want to talk about books or music or movie trivia, and just come here to talk dirty. That's their perogative as well.
Let's try to respect each other and the honour the differences among us that make this site so interesting.
Those who wish to continue posting here can do so, and those who don't want to, can avoid it. Sound fair?

[spare_change]

And for my next controversy, we are going to debate:

Paprika -- secret spice -- but who's secret?

[Big O]

I love Paprika!!

[Norfolkdave]

And for my next controversy, we are going to debate:

Paprika -- secret spice -- but who's secret?

;)

[MCat]

See that is what I was afraid of. :( Even in a place like this real life happens and people have strong feelings and beliefs. Sometimes knowing a thread like this exist is enough to make you feel uncomfortable and sometimes you have to read it. Just becuase its here.
This is my fault for starting this forum. I did it to bring in more people that had different ideas and felt uncomfortable talking about their sex lives. They wanted a place to talk about other things. I can try to make this forum not show up on the front page but I just cant censor it or remove it now that it is here even though its not popular.
Mary please reconsider and dont leave.

Penny its not me....it was Annie that mentioned leaving. Annie don't leave...just don't read this forum...its as simple as that.

[MCat]

And for my next controversy, we are going to debate:

Paprika -- secret spice -- but who's secret?

Paprika....very nice spice.."The Secret Ingredient Spice Company"

[Penny]

I just saw that I dont know why I wrote Mary :(

Penny its not me....it was Annie that mentioned leaving. Annie don't leave...just don't read this forum...its as simple as that.

[spare_change]

I love Paprika!!

So, it is true??? Paprika causes the male member to shrink???

[Norfolkdave]

So, it is true??? Paprika causes the male member to shrink???

You tell us my friend does it!:lmao

[Annie]

should have kept my mouth shut

[KIRA187]

Billy Joel Lyrics (http://www.lyricsondemand.com/b/billyjoellyrics/index.html)




We Didn't Start The Fire Lyrics (http://www.lyricsondemand.com/b/billyjoellyrics/wedidntstartthefirelyrics.html)
Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye

Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Maciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dancron
Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock

Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, Bridge On The River Kwai

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkwether, Homicide, Children of Thalidomide
Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia
Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Hemingway, Eichman, Stranger in a Strange Land
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion

Lawrence of Arabia, British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British Politician sex
J.F.K. blown away, what else do I have to say

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

[Norfolkdave]

Very well said, very befitting

[sweetgapeach]

The song is perfect, Cuda

[KIRA187]

I think the original intent for this site was to provide some fun, and to meet people with like interests in its simplest form.

To intoduce a topic such as this or anything that borders on it is just asking for trouble. Trying to catch up and read through some of the posts and noticing a few edited ones, that seems to be what has happened. I am sure there are hundreds of other sites devoted to this topic and other world issues. All of us who visit this site are adults I would assume and we should be able to discuss these topics in a mature fashion. But having worked in a bar where many topics are discussed and listening to the conversations and the fights arising from the conversations ... the two things you have to be careful to discuss are religion and politics.

When I first saw the thread I was going to reply but then waited. I came back several times ready to reply and again hestitated to reply. I have my viewpoints regarding this topic just as everyone here on this site does I am sure. BUT IS THAT WHY WE ARE HERE??? I come here to escape these sometime heavy topics. We are inundated 24/7 about this crap. It gets to a point that I turn the TV off.

Lets keep with the intent of this site and use it as a release from our everyday troubles and try to haev fun and enjoy each others company.


In the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit AMEN!:)

[KIRA187]

The song is perfect, Cuda

thanks peach! Welcome by the way.:wa:

[KIRA187]

Very well said, very befitting


Hey dave... how are you today man? things going okay in your neck of the woods?:wa:

[Norfolkdave]

Hey dave... how are you today man? things going okay in your neck of the woods?:wa:

Yes ok my friend I second your post, I love this site it gets me meeting people and enjoying banter, jovality and sexy matters. I had to delete some links got em muddled and spent most of the day scrawling through my posts I think GOD HELP ME I have succeeded. Anyhow yes my friend enjoying the day so far, :wa: ale is running out got to get some more tommorrow lunch time in our supermarket for my birthday thursday the dreaded big 59 ouch age creeping up :D you have a nice day :wa:

[spare_change]

You tell us my friend does it!:lmao


OMG -- i overdosed!!!!!!

[KIRA187]

"I've learned there are three things you don't discuss with people: religion, politics and the Great Pumpkin." - Linus, from It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown ;)

[Norfolkdave]

OMG -- i overdosed!!!!!!

Eh! what you on about!:wa:

[spare_change]

"I've learned there are three things you don't discuss with people: religion, politics and the Great Pumpkin." - Linus, from It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown ;)



Which explains why everybody is scared of religion, don't understand politics, and have never heard of the Great Pumpkin!!!

[spare_change]

Eh! what you on about!:wa:

You asked if what i said about the effects of paprika were true -- I checked -- and apparently, I overdosed!

[KIRA187]

Which explains why everybody is scared of religion, don't understand politics, and have never heard of the Great Pumpkin!!!



Ain't scared of Religion
Don't care for politics
and The Great Pumpkin is something ya gotta believe in. On Halloween night the great pumpkin rises from the pumpkin patch and gives toys to all the good little children.
Just like Santa Claus does on December 24th every year. You do believe in Santa Claus dont you spare?
:)

[spare_change]

Ain't scared of Religion
Don't care for politics
and The Great Pumpkin is something ya gotta believe in. On Halloween night the great pumpkin rises from the pumpkin patch and gives toys to all the good little children.
Just like Santa Claus does on December 24th every year. You do believe in Santa Claus dont you spare?

:)


Believe in him??? Hell, I am him !!!

[KIRA187]

Believe in him??? Hell, I am him !!!

well then how come you never gave me that beebee gun I wanted when I was 10?;)

[SirFox]

What amount of paprika, eh?

[spare_change]

well then how come you never gave me that beebee gun I wanted when I was 10?;)

Presents only go to GOOD little boys and girls, remember??

[Penny]

Sometimes we go out with people and we talk about the war and politics because we have the same views. Other people we see we dont say much about it because we know they have different views and we know if the subject comes up not to push it and then we have other friends that we avoid the subject like the plague because when it does come up feelings get hurt and we wont be friends long. Can we please just let this thread fade off into the sunset. I think everyone that wanted to reply has and anymore is just picking at an open sore :(