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01-05-2008, 05:50 PM
Justices to Decide if Rape of a Child Merits Death

By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Published: January 5, 2008

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court agreed on Friday to decide whether the Constitution allows the death penalty for the rape of a child.

The justices acted only three days before a scheduled argument in another important death penalty case, on the standard for judging whether chemicals used to administer lethal injections make that method of execution unconstitutionally cruel.

The new case, from Louisiana, is likely to be argued in April, meaning that during the course of its current term, the Supreme Court will be examining both the most common method of execution and a categorical question about which crimes are appropriate for the death penalty.

No one has been executed in the United States for a crime other than murder since 1964. Of some 3,300 inmates of death row today, only two are facing execution for an offense that did not involve a killing. Both are on Louisiana’s death row. The Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal from one of them, Patrick Kennedy, who was convicted and sentenced to death in 2004 for raping his 8-year-old stepdaughter.

In 1977, as part of its wide-ranging re-examination of capital punishment, the Supreme Court prohibited the death penalty for rape. While that ruling, Coker v. Georgia, did not specifically discuss the rape of a child — the victim, although only 16, was a married woman who was raped at knifepoint — the decision has been widely understood as limiting the death penalty to the crime of murder.

In the principal opinion in the Coker case, Justice Byron R. White wrote that “we have the abiding conviction that the death penalty, which is unique in its severity and irrevocability, is an excessive penalty for the rapist who, as such, does not take human life.”

But in recent years, a handful of states, responding to public outcries about sex crimes against children, have amended their death penalty statutes to make the rape of a child a capital offense. Louisiana was the first to do so, amending its death-penalty law in 1995 to apply to the rape of a child under the age of 12. The other states with similar provisions are Georgia, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas. Unlike Louisiana, most limit the death penalty to defendants who were previously convicted of sexual assault against a child.

The Louisiana Supreme Court rejected Mr. Kennedy’s appeal last year in a 64-page opinion that concluded that “rape of a child under the age of 12 years of age is like no other crime” and that death was not a disproportionate punishment. Taking note of the recent state laws, the court said there was “compelling” evidence of a national trend toward treating the crime as distinct from others.

The United States Supreme Court’s recent death penalty jurisprudence has paid close attention to evidence of whether contemporary society has reached a consensus on particular applications of capital punishment. The court relied on such an analysis to rule out the death penalty for mentally retarded defendants in 2002 and for juvenile killers in 2005. Louisiana is now invoking the same approach to argue that an application of the death penalty once widely deemed unconstitutional has become permissible.

Mr. Kennedy’s lawyers are arguing that any such “trend” is illusory. “By any objective measure,” their brief says, Mr. Kennedy’s sentence “is not only cruel and unusual; it is cruel and unique.”

The other inmate is Richard Davis, who was sentenced to death on Dec. 12 for sexually molesting a 5-year-old girl.

Hotshotfireguy
01-05-2008, 06:09 PM
I actually know someone who was on the jury for Davis. She made an interesting comment. "It's easy for people to say execute him for what he did, but when you have to actually make that call, it's not as easy as it seems. Someone's life is actually in your hands". But she said her decision was based on what it had done to the little girl. Her life is ruined.

cloudrunner
01-05-2008, 06:24 PM
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Hotshotfireguy
01-05-2008, 09:49 PM
I have vacillated back and forth so much on the death penalty so many times, my head spins. When I am for it, it is emotional, and when I am against it, I am practical and educated. And... I speak with first hand knowledge of its application.

It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does with the current appeal which has the death penalty stayed due to the argument that lethal injection is "cruel and unusual" punishment.

Sexual molestation of a child is beyond repugnant, and no matter what the outcome of the death penalty debate, the individual found guilty of this heinous perpatration against the innocence of a child, should be welded in a steel cube cell for life.:spbx:

but...but......that would violate his civil rights

PunkyBob
01-05-2008, 09:54 PM
I have vacillated back and forth so much on the death penalty so many times, my head spins. When I am for it, it is emotional, and when I am against it, I am practical and educated. And... I speak with first hand knowledge of its application.

It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does with the current appeal which has the death penalty stayed due to the argument that lethal injection is "cruel and unusual" punishment.

Sexual molestation of a child is beyond repugnant, and no matter what the outcome of the death penalty debate, the individual found guilty of this heinous perpatration against the innocence of a child, should be welded in a steel cube cell for life.:spbx:

I have the same dilemma: emotional revenge against intellectual ethics. I don't approve of the death penalty, even in these cases...cases where the victim is radically and painfully changed for life. How about life imprisonment at hard labor? The molester would probably pray for death after a while...

UltimateNaneki
01-05-2008, 09:56 PM
I would just cut off the mans johnson and for women I would (cause there are women violators) ....thinking....awe cramp..remove a boob!

MCat
01-05-2008, 11:20 PM
Kill em.....

flake68
01-05-2008, 11:23 PM
I would just cut off the mans johnson and for women I would (cause there are women violators) ....thinking....awe cramp..remove a boob!

agree....

However, its interesting how when we think of rape, it a grown man with a woman or child, never a woman with a child....

spare_change
01-05-2008, 11:28 PM
agree....

However, its interesting how when we think of rape, it a grown man with a woman or child, never a woman with a child....


... unless she's a teacher, of course. Then, it's headlines in 40 states.

spare_change
01-05-2008, 11:29 PM
Kill em.....

Can they be rehabilitated? Nope.

Will they do it again? Probably.

How many lives do they destroy before we do something?

Han Solo
01-05-2008, 11:32 PM
Well........with no apologies to the anti-death penalty crowd. Taking into account just the determination on whether the death penalty should be used for this type of crime??.....YES! Let's take out the debate of how many "innocent" people are on death row and all of those sidebars.......so taking the basic question on it's principle? Does the rape of a child deserve the death penalty? The rape of a child is just plain sick and twisted no matter how you slice it. So if it hurts a little for the person on the way out?....well, it should!

Zifnab
01-06-2008, 01:25 AM
In the moutains of Hillbilly country a man is staked to a tree stump with a roofing nail through the center of his family jewelbox...... and as honey is pour over his privates, a jar of ants is broken at the base of the tree stump, and the condemed is given a dull knife......



for a female convicted of the same... she is sentecend to raise the children on her own... no family or support accepted.....think maybe she needs her hole reduced in size as well....

PunkyBob
01-06-2008, 01:35 AM
If it were a foolproof system in terms of determining guilt, I would probably agree...but it's not...so that nullifies it for me. Maybe I'm a bleeding heart. And I don't know enough about the debate over the actual pain level of lethal injection, but there should be a quick and merciful way to carry out the sentence; it should be enough to remove the threat from society, we don't have to revel in the torturous aspect of it.

MCat
01-06-2008, 01:37 AM
In the moutains of Hillbilly country a man is staked to a tree stump with a roofing nail through the center of his family jewelbox...... and as honey is pour over his privates, a jar of ants is broken at the base of the tree stump, and the condemed is given a dull knife......



for a female convicted of the same... she is sentecend to raise the children on her own... no family or support accepted.....think maybe she needs her hole reduced in size as well....

If you are talking about the Letourneau thing....I don't think it was considered it rape.

Rape is when they are forced without consent...when they say no...

He did not say no...he was not forced...

Yes as a parent I would want her head on a chopping block for taking advantage of my young son....

Zifnab
01-06-2008, 01:46 AM
If you are talking about the Letourneau thing....I don't think it was considered it rape.

Rape is when they are forced without consent...when they say no...

He did not say no...he was not forced...

Yes as a parent I would want her head on a chopping block for taking advantage of my young son.... but they seem to avoid the whole thing..... a male in my aquaintance lost his career over false charges... but female in same district is still teaching... WTF?????

cherokeered
01-06-2008, 01:49 AM
Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated.....there is no place to keep them all...they cannot be housed with the general population....no one wants them living in their neighborhoods.....so, if death isn't the answer...what do you do with them??
BTW...most pedophiles are men...but there are women also, it's just a bit rarer although lately I think it has been on the increase....not sure why...or maybe the news media has just chosen to give equal billing

Zifnab
01-06-2008, 01:51 AM
so chero, what do you propose as a solution? I know my own recomendations, but I am considered a barbaric neandrathal......

PunkyBob
01-06-2008, 01:53 AM
but there are women also, it's just a bit rarer although lately I think it has been on the increase....not sure why...or maybe the news media has just chosen to give equal billing


Another step towards equality between the sexes

cherokeered
01-06-2008, 01:58 AM
so chero, what do you propose as a solution? I know my own recomendations, but I am considered a barbaric neandrathal......


Well, I have thought perhaps an island...with just them..let them grow their own food...live apart from others...but then, who pays for this...i dont want to....

The problem is...you can never say they won't ever do it again.....because they aren't convinced they do anything wrong.....
do ya implant them with chips to monitor them...hypnosis??....somehow the urge needs to be permanantly switched off.....if ur not gonna kill them....

Zifnab
01-06-2008, 02:24 AM
castration is an excellent inhibitor for males... but what equals for females?

cherokeered
01-06-2008, 02:35 AM
castration is an excellent inhibitor for males... but what equals for females?


castration wont work hun...the urge is still there...they just need something else to use...
not sure...there is chemical castration but that assuming they take their meds....and nothing interferes with it...like another drug....

Zifnab
01-06-2008, 02:40 AM
castration wont work hun...the urge is still there...they just need something else to use...
not sure...there is chemical castration but that assuming they take their meds....and nothing interferes with it...like another drug....not the question... for females????

cherokeered
01-06-2008, 02:56 AM
not the question... for females????

well, removal of the clitoris is considered female castration by some I believe

tt
01-06-2008, 07:43 PM
Who kills the killer, that kills the killer that killed the killer? Capital Punishment does not and will not work. Nor will it bring back a dead person or bring any form help or closure to those affected.

If you so damn ready to kill, then do it. But don't wrap murder in the words of the state. Murder, regardless is still murder.

Who exactly would Jesus Christ first torture, then execute?

tiger50
01-06-2008, 09:17 PM
Who kills the killer, that kills the killer that killed the killer? Capital Punishment does not and will not work. Nor will it bring back a dead person or bring any form help or closure to those affected.

If you so damn ready to kill, then do it. But don't wrap murder in the words of the state. Murder, regardless is still murder.

Who exactly would Jesus Christ first torture, then execute?

oh i think it works rather well...... not too many of the executed re-offend..:D