Do guys mind if a woman smokes cigarettes

[Flirting Mom]

I have been a smoker for a long time and can't quit.:( Will a man just turn away from a woman if they see she is a smoker?

[Big O]

My last girlfriend was a smoker. I didn't know it until we had our first date. If I knew before I might not have asked her out. Bottom line for me is I don't care for the smell and the smoke. I don't allow people to smoke in my house or my car, so to answer your question, for me the answer is yes.

[Penny]

I smoke too but I will brush my teeth before sex :D

[Big O]

only if you insist on kissing!

[Norfolkdave]

Im not keen on smoking after sex but then thats up to the individual.

[Thighmaster]

If a woman was a smoker it wouldn't stop me from going on some dates or having fun with her, but I don't think it would be very easy to be in a long term relationship unless she was willing to quit or I was willing to get used to it.

[murtonian]

yes i'm afraid women who smoke are

a big turn off for me

the only thing they should have in there mouth
is a Meaty treat :blowjob:

[illmakeurtoeswiggle]

Not Good!

Smoking is a definite turn off for me...bad taste in the mouth, smoke in the air...not good!:(
I had one woman that smoked in my life and I swore after we broke up, no more!

I guess you would have to be a non-smoker to understand!:D

[mesohorny]

If you had smoke rolling out your ass it wouldn't matter to me. I mean your a hottie!! I mean your smoking!

[Seeker]

Doesn't matter to me FM! I'm in the same boat too. I've tried to quit several times and have never succeeded. I actually like the smell of smoke. Also there are several perfumes that actually enhance the experience! :knuddel: I would have NO problem hooking up with you short term or longterm!! I have been a smoker for a long time and can't quit.:( Will a man just turn away from a woman if they see she is a smoker?

[Penny]

I'm sorry I can't quit I have tried though. :(

[Wet Beaver]

yes i'm afraid women who smoke are

a big turn off for me

the only thing they should have in there mouth
is a Meaty treat :blowjob:


Kewl, i guess i am safe, I smoke......:rofl1: been tring to quit for years

[Penny]

I wish I could quit Imagine the money I would save ;) The frigging things cost 3 bucks a pack now :(

[mark2gmtrans]

I smoke cigarretes, and I dot mind if she does too, but if she drinks I can't deal with that, and drugs are just way beyond what I will put up with, so a non drinking drug free smoker girl is OK, and also I do not really like a woman who has a pottymouth, I think it is not nice when a woman talks like a sailor, not cool

[out4fun2nite]

smoking is out of the question for men and women a complete turn off.

[Penny]

You saying this is a turn off http://www.marriedandflirtingchat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6 :cry:



smoking is out of the question for men and women a complete turn off.

[mark2gmtrans]

I think it looks pretty hot, and if it a menthol we can share the cigarette too LOL

[Penny]

Marlboro Lights ;)

[mark2gmtrans]

you will have to bring your own, I only have Kools LOL

[Wet Beaver]

I wish I could quit Imagine the money I would save ;) The frigging things cost 3 bucks a pack now :(

they are almost 4 bucks in kalif.

[Wet Beaver]

I smoke cigarretes, and I dot mind if she does too, but if she drinks I can't deal with that, and drugs are just way beyond what I will put up with, so a non drinking drug free smoker girl is OK, and also I do not really like a woman who has a pottymouth, I think it is not nice when a woman talks like a sailor, not cool

you don't drink? not even a glass of wine with dinner? Drugs are way out, except maybe a little grass. Remember the 1960's Peace, love, dope. ? Hey Popeye the Salior is way kewl. :D

[Zpanther]

I smoke, so certainly don't mind if a woman does. Some years ago I quit for a year on a bet from a co-worker that I couldn't do it. As soon as the year was up I started again and was up to a pack a day in a week...... Worst decision I ever made to start again. I've thought about quitting several times, but realized it was a waste of time until I wanted to and I just don't want to.

(I DO understand how non-smokers feel though. Couldn't stand the smell of smoke during that year I quit).

[MCat]

My hubby smoked Camel unfiltered in 1974 when we met...I don't smoke and he has cut down quite a bit. Has never smoked in the house...kept the kids healthier and the house smelling good. But I must say, the scent of his cigarettes, aftershave,chewing gum etc...is all part of him. I still tingle when I get a wiff of something or someone that smells like him. Must be the Phermone thing goin on. If its love a cigarette will not stand in the way.

[mark2gmtrans]

you don't drink? not even a glass of wine with dinner? Drugs are way out, except maybe a little grass. Remember the 1960's Peace, love, dope. ? Hey Popeye the Salior is way kewl. :D I do not drink at all no wine, no beer, no liquor of any kind, I do not need drugs or any alcoholic beverages, I do not even take aspirin or tylenol more than maybe five or six times a year. I meditate, do yoga, and walk at least a mile everyday after work. I find that if I do these things I am tranquil and at peace in my mind, I have more energy and even though I am a fat man, my cholesterol is very low, my heart rate and blood pressure are also excellent. So if I started putting these strange chemicals into my body I would not be in good health. So maybe I am strange or weird, but hey I also know that attitude is what helps us with our health I am almost always happy even when I have problems, because I know tha being positive is the best remedy for all of my problems and oportunities.Happy people almost never die from heart attacks. :)

[Cindy]

I still smoke I don't really want to quit :(

[Flirting Mom]

I will smoke when I am drinking and only if someone gives me one. I am to cheap to buy them :)

[Wet Beaver]

I do not drink at all no wine, no beer, no liquor of any kind, I do not need drugs or any alcoholic beverages, I do not even take aspirin or tylenol more than maybe five or six times a year. I meditate, do yoga, and walk at least a mile everyday after work. I find that if I do these things I am tranquil and at peace in my mind, I have more energy and even though I am a fat man, my cholesterol is very low, my heart rate and blood pressure are also excellent. So if I started putting these strange chemicals into my body I would not be in good health. So maybe I am strange or weird, but hey I also know that attitude is what helps us with our health I am almost always happy even when I have problems, because I know tha being positive is the best remedy for all of my problems and oportunities.Happy people almost never die from heart attacks. :)

But people who smoke die all the time,much faster than people who drink.

[Wet Beaver]

I will smoke when I am drinking and only if someone gives me one. I am to cheap to buy them :)

What a great way of saveing money.

[mark2gmtrans]

Cindy I still smoke cigarrettes, everyone should have one bad habit right

[ross57412]

well i guess then fm that ill have to buy yall a drink when i get back to the real world :kk



I will smoke when I am drinking and only if someone gives me one. I am to cheap to buy them :)

[spare_change]

I have been a smoker for a long time and can't quit.:( Will a man just turn away from a woman if they see she is a smoker?

I would guess that a guy would know whether you were a smoker or not long before he made his move.

Smoking is no different than any other habit -- you either accept the person as they are, or you don't. Frankly, I much prefer women who smoke over women who fart in public, and then laugh about it (oh wait !! That was me,not her -- never mind).

If smoking is part of the package, and you want the package, then i guess you have to accept the smoking. (I don't know about the package, but a lot of fun playing with the box).

[KIRA187]

If the female is a smoker I would not rule her out right off the bat but would not be my first choice.

[MCat]

I much prefer women who smoke over women who fart in public, and then laugh about it (oh wait !! That was me,not her -- never mind).

Oh no....that was so bad :rofl1:

[Wyvern75]

It doesn't really bother me if a woman smokes, as long as she doesn't do it while making love.

I smoke a pipe or a cigar from time to time and cigarettes don't bother me, but the women who I have dated that smoked generally had some gum or breathmints that they used before the making out session.

A woman who drinks too much, is a bit of a turn off. Drunk women are more pathetic than drunk men. A social drinker or a teetotler is fine. I am not interested in women who do drugs and I have never smoked marijuana and yes I went to college in '71 and it was very frowned on at the time. If fact I never saw "grass" or "hash" until I went on Active Duty.

The one thing that is the biggest turn off is a woman who dips snuff or chews tobacco. Had a date with one (blind date set up by a Senior) my freshman year and we kissed when the team scored a touchdown. It was one of the few games that we won and it was a high scoring one too.

[KIRA187]

Sorry. We all have vices and too each his/her own. A female smoking is a turnoff for me.

[hank69]

Doesnt bother me any...... but maybe you need a :sp: just because


I have been a smoker for a long time and can't quit.:( Will a man just turn away from a woman if they see she is a smoker?

[Norfolkdave]

I have been a smoker for a long time and can't quit.:( Will a man just turn away from a woman if they see she is a smoker?

Be happy and dont worry I wouldnt turn away just cos I dont smoke anymore. Its up to the individual:wa:

[mark2gmtrans]

well I don't mind if she smokes, even during sex as long as she looks as hot as marycats pic beside her post ( is that you Marycat ?)

[Wet Beaver]

Dave, how did you quit smokeing.. i am going try again to stop. last time i went for about 2 weeks.. by then i almost killed my hubby...... i was such a bitch

[MCat]

In a program they offer at work the people are encouraged to drink lots of OJ, take extra vitamin C, 2000mg/day...and they use a cinnamon stick to take care of the need something in your mouth part, or to hold on to.

I don't smoke, Hanks does...I can imagine it would just as hard to quit smoking as it would be for me to stop eating choc. Neither habit is healthy...but I don't think it should keep a guy from approaching a lady if the attraction is there.

There are worse habits you could have.

[Wet Beaver]

. Neither habit is healthy...but I don't think it should keep a guy from approaching a lady if the attraction is there.

There are worse habits you could have.. Thanks Mary.. when i try again.it I hope it won't be as ugly as last time. But.. between choclate and cigs.. i think i would have to sit down and really think about it...naaaa take the cigs, i'll kill for choclate

[Zpanther]

. Thanks Mary.. when i try again.it I hope it won't be as ugly as last time. But.. between choclate and cigs.. i think i would have to sit down and really think about it...naaaa take the cigs, i'll kill for choclate

Holy Cow Beav! You're a WildCat now. Can't imagine what you'd be like to be around if you're tryin' to quit smoking.

[want2]

:blowjob: Maybe if I found an adequate substitute to fulfill my oral fixation I could quit....

[Wet Beaver]

Holy Cow Beav! You're a WildCat now. Can't imagine what you'd be like to be around if you're tryin' to quit smoking.

you are right, You don't want to know!!!

[CSpringsFlyer]

I used to smoke many years ago. nowadays even being around a lit cigarette grosses me out. A couple of years ago while on a business trip, I was flirting with this woman I met in the hotel bar I was staying at. She was smoking, and we kissed in the elevator. I could taste the cigarettes in her mouth. Not only was I totally uninterested in going up to her room, I went back to mine and immediately brushed my teeth to get that taste out of my mouth.

[MCat]

well I don't mind if she smokes, even during sex as long as she looks as hot as marycats pic beside her post ( is that you Marycat ?)

Maybe 30 years ago I looked like that....of course the ole nipplets still stand to attention quite often don't they Hank...;)

[Norfolkdave]

Maybe 30 years ago I looked like that....of course the ole nipplets still stand to attention quite often don't they Hank...;)

It takes 2 to tango...........:lmao

[new2this58]

I think it looks sexy....but then again, I smoke too. Flirting Mom, I would like to e-mail you...is that possible? Please let me know....

[Sandy]

I smoke and my husband dips. the only thing i won't do is kiss him with one in his mouth.

[MCat]

I smoke and my husband dips. the only thing i won't do is kiss him with one in his mouth.

Hank smokes...I don't. I love the smell of Copehagen though...mmmmm

[Wet Beaver]

Hank smokes...I don't. I love the smell of Copehagen though...mmmmm

i like the smell of good pipe tobacco.....

[Sandy]

i smoke and my husband dips. but i really try to be nice i smoke outside. i don't even smoke in my house. but theres no pleasing everybody.

[sweetgapeach]

I am a smoker it's hard to quit . My hubby quit 2 years ago still on my case to quit!!
But I don't do drugs but I smoke a little grass once in awhile, dont consider it a drug. I think it's God's answer to depression.But I do brush my teeth and keep lotion for hands so I dont smell like smoke!!

[sweetgapeach]

I always smoke outside and never around my kids!!

[quax999]

My wife smokes, as do I so I don't see any problem with a women smoking.

[SirFox]

I can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke especially when you eat and the clouds get in your eyes. I can't stand the smell of cigarettes on a woman's breath...not to mention the obvious smell in clothes, in house....and in car where there loads of buts ( wish it was it was my own if a lady is fingering herself or naked in a car...) in the ashtray.

[Norfolkdave]

I am a smoker it's hard to quit . My hubby quit 2 years ago still on my case to quit!!
But I don't do drugs but I smoke a little grass once in awhile, dont consider it a drug. I think it's God's answer to depression.But I do brush my teeth and keep lotion for hands so I dont smell like smoke!!

I believe this is up to the individual, I used to smoke but the doctor scared me I dont smoke any more, but I dont mind a woman smoking it doesnt bother me, each to their own I say:wa:

[bonzzz4292]

no i do not mind. if i was to say that she could not smoke then i am wrong.

if either of us get to where it bothers us to the point of hospitalization then we would stop.
the reason i cannot tell her to stop smoking is i have used tobbaco for almost 25 years. i do not plan to stop till i must so why should i force her to ?

[joe48]

I used to smoke and gave up ten years ago. I'm reformed so don't come near me with a cigarette, you may get burned. Don't do it, it's a waste of money and could kill you. But if you want to it's you're life, but i couldn't kiss an old ashtray.

[SirFox]

Don't like smoke with my meals. Don't mind it socially.

[Leatherman]

I smoke, even roll my own menthols. dayum things got too expensive and mine taste better! so I can deal with it.

[bushlight]

Smoking is ok with me as long as its not in the house.

[Penny]

I wish I could quit

[Annie]

Me too Penny, but I'm quite sure my family could not survive another try. I really don't want to go to jail....

[SirFox]

I wish I could quit

Question of willpower and guts and the nicotin tablets for you for a while.
Clean air is amazing after you have known a two pack smoker
WOW.....one can even smell car exhausts and consider that better!
:na

[Lexman966]

Sorry smokers, want get me. I used to smoke, now I don't know why any girls went out with me.

[pastryman]

i think smoking is worse than any drug out there it more addictive,more harmfull in the long run.......but you know what ive tried everything to quit and i just cant let go.........love the taste of a cigarette of a meal,when i wake up take the dog out for a walk just so i can have my morning smoke what can you do i guess one day i will get it into my cement head and quit...so i guess can't really say anything to women if she enjoys smoking

[highheat]

i dont like it when womene smoke but i can deal with it for them

[woody9340]

Smoking is not very attractive for me

[Shiane]

I do not drink at all no wine, no beer, no liquor of any kind, I do not need drugs or any alcoholic beverages, I do not even take aspirin or tylenol more than maybe five or six times a year. I meditate, do yoga, and walk at least a mile everyday after work. I find that if I do these things I am tranquil and at peace in my mind, I have more energy and even though I am a fat man, my cholesterol is very low, my heart rate and blood pressure are also excellent. So if I started putting these strange chemicals into my body I would not be in good health. So maybe I am strange or weird, but hey I also know that attitude is what helps us with our health I am almost always happy even when I have problems, because I know tha being positive is the best remedy for all of my problems and oportunities.Happy people almost never die from heart attacks. :)
Sweetie I hate to burst your happy bubble but I work in a Cardiovascular Intensive Care area, and let me tell ya happiness has very little to do with who has a heart attack. Certainly stress plays a role as well as personality types and I'm sure happieness fits into those areas to some extent. You have to look more at diet, exercise, stress, environment, genetics. Although I do wish happiness was the cure for heart disease, I see it everyday, and that just isn't the case.:cry:

[MCat]

Sweetie I hate to burst your happy bubble but I work in a Cardiovascular Intensive Care area, and let me tell ya happiness has very little to do with who has a heart attack. Certainly stress plays a role as well as personality types and I'm sure happieness fits into those areas to some extent. You have to look more at diet, exercise, stress, environment, genetics. Although I do wish happiness was the cure for heart disease, I see it everyday, and that just isn't the case.:cry:

Shiane...this guy Mark has disappeared...he was/is a real jerk. Hopefully he won't be back.

[Sandy]

i'm with marycat i hope he doesn't come back either.

[Bigman]

I quit 10 years ago ,never looked back. My wife smokes , doesnt bother me .

[Waltert]

I do not like the smell of the smoke, do not care who is doing it. So as long as I do not have to smell it it is ok.

But then again, since my parents house burnt down I have even had problems with fire place smoke at times. It has been like 7 years now, and still sometimes when I get out of the car and smell the smoke from our neighbors chimney I sometimes still get nauseous. That comes from the long hours of clean up and going through things in the house seeing what can be salvaged.

Now inside, with a good updraft, the fire is fine and with the right person romantic; I just do not want to smell the smoke.

[sweetgapeach]

I do not like the smell of the smoke, do not care who is doing it. So as long as I do not have to smell it it is ok.

But then again, since my parents house burnt down I have even had problems with fire place smoke at times. It has been like 7 years now, and still sometimes when I get out of the car and smell the smoke from our neighbors chimney I sometimes still get nauseous. That comes from the long hours of clean up and going through things in the house seeing what can be salvaged.

Now inside, with a good updraft, the fire is fine and with the right person romantic; I just do not want to smell the smoke.


Thats horrible . Hope everybody made it ok !

[SirFox]

I do not like the smell of the smoke, do not care who is doing it. So as long as I do not have to smell it it is ok.....to smell the smoke.

Walter T: You have some emotional scars from that experience! It will take time for you to heal with such things as smoke, fires, probably sirens, ashes and other things directly and indirectly associated with the house burning.

[Waltert]

Yes we did, actually it was New Years day and we were all at my brothers when my Dad's neighbor called hoping he was there. So no one was hurt just property.



Thats horrible . Hope everybody made it ok !

[SirFox]

Yes we did, actually it was New Years day and we were all at my brothers when my Dad's neighbor called hoping he was there. So no one was hurt just property.

I suppose you remember everything like an auto accident....or when someone suddenly is not well and must be transported to the hospital....

[Waltert]

Walter T: You have some emotional scars from that experience! It will take time for you to heal with such things as smoke, fires, probably sirens, ashes and other things directly and indirectly associated with the house burning.

Sorry for changing the topic but when thinking about smoke and it being near New Years it took me back to that.

None of the other things bother me but smoke still does sometimes.

But back to the topic.

Cigarette smoke. I never liked it, but the less I am around it the more it bothers me when I am. I use to be around a lot of people who smoked and it was ok, but now I have few friends that smoke and with the laws changing about smoking in public buildings and workplaces I have less tollerance to it.

[SirFox]

Sorry for changing the topic.....

Cigarette smoke. I never liked it, but the less I am around it the more it bothers me when I am. I use to be around a lot of people who smoked and it was ok, but now I have few friends that smoke and with the laws changing about smoking in public buildings and workplaces I have less tollerance to it.

I find that your observation to be quite accurate for this penis-o-crat!

[S55Don]

when i got married i asked my wife if she would quit. now 15 teen years later we both smoke..lol how silly is that

[Lena]

Hello S55Don!!!
Welcome!!!

[outsiders]

hello just figuring out this stuff

[Lena]

Hello Outsiders
Nice to see you!!
I am sure you will do just fine!!

[Jy]

Two more men!! Woohoo!! *doing my happy dance*

Welcome gentlemen!

[Lena]

Ohhh Jazzy calm down!!!!
You will scare them away!!!
Can't let you out on your own can i??

[Jy]

Getting back to the topic....
I am allergic to cigarette smoke, which is ironic since I smoked for a number of years. I quit over 11 years ago. Cold turkey. Haven't had one since, and my primary motivation is that I never want to go through the agony of quitting ever again.
I can't tolerate smoke, but don't really have to. There's no smoking allowed in any public places here, and working at a gym, one doesn't find any people hanging around outside smoking on their coffee break!!
I understand why people smoke, and even now I have cravings, but I would never start again. Ever.

[Lena]

You have done really well Jazzy!!!
I can't tolerate smoke either!!
Some of our public places are no smoking now!!!

[Jy]

Heck no! But what good will you be? You're such a naughty girl!



Ohhh Jazzy calm down!!!!
You will scare them away!!!
Can't let you out on your own can i??

[Lena]

Heck no! But what good will you be? You're such a naughty girl!

Me?? naughty??
hmmmm!!!
Well ok then!!
Lets just be ourselves!!!

[Jy]

Now that might scare them away!! hee hee hee!

[Lena]

Nah we won't!!!
We will just show our true selves slowly so they'll get use to it!!!!!!

[Jy]

Break it to them gently, so to say?

I wonder how long it will take them to catch on? Two days?


(two hours?)

[Lena]

Yes gently!!!

You think it will take them as long as 2 hours???

[Jy]

Nah...probably about two minutes! If that!

[Lena]

Yes, then what will happen??

[Jy]

Then we'll be inundated with PMs by the feisty ones, and the timid ones will run for their lives!!

[Norfolkdave]

Ok girls calm down, your thoughts Jazzy if they said yes!, would u tell us I wonder...LOL.

[Lena]

Hey Dave that would be kiss and tell wouldn't it??!!!

[Lena]

Then we'll be inundated with PMs by the feisty ones, and the timid ones will run for their lives!!

Better start clearing out our inbox then!!!!:)

[Norfolkdave]

Hey Dave that would be kiss and tell wouldn't it??!!!

Oh yes we need a good story to follow:D

[Norfolkdave]

Better start clearing out our inbox then!!!!:)

Go for it ladies Im sure us guys can take it all very surprisingly very athlecticly
cough, cough, groan groan,:lmao

[Lena]

Still got a bad cough Dave??
Must be real bad if you are still groaning!!!:gs

[Norfolkdave]

Still got a bad cough Dave??
Must be real bad if you are still groaning!!!:gs

I packed that up 5 years ago, the groaning comes from having caught a splinter.:D

[SirFox]

It is terrible to be wanting to kiss a woman who has clean teeth and a mouthwashed her buccals after smoking. The trouble doesn't stop there: consider the smell of smoke in her hair in her clothes or even elsewhere.....

[Lena]

It is terrible to be wanting to kiss a woman who has clean teeth and a mouthwashed her buccals after smoking. The trouble doesn't stop there: consider the smell of smoke in her hair in her clothes or even elsewhere.....

Same thing goes about kissing the guys!!!
But i do understand wht you are saying ffox!!!!
I hate my own hair smelling of smoke after i have been in contact with smokers, i just can't wait to get home and have a hairwash!!!! And have my hair smelling nice again!!!:gs

[Norfolkdave]

Actually I dont mind if either a guy or gal smokes, its up to the idividual, but me I was frightened by my GP 5 years ago hence I dont smoke, the hardest part for me was either after a meal, or in the pub having a drink, but now Im ok.

[Sunfiresix]

I smoke occasionally but I am still bothered by the smell of smoke on clothes and hair, heavy smokers are a real turn off.

[Eric69]

no i don't like women to smoke.

[goodgirl12]

Some of us need a smoke after a good roll in the hay, but willing to go outside,

[Waltert]

But some of us would rather you stay and cuddle. :knuddel:



Some of us need a smoke after a good roll in the hay, but willing to go outside,

[SirFox]

Some of us need a smoke after a good roll in the hay, but willing to go outside,

I guess that is one more element that I personally am not looking for....
a chick who smokes once in the hay. You never know about smoking in the hay as it could lead to a blast and to explosive devices!

[Norfolkdave]

There is no doubt that smoking causes people to age prematurely and to die before their time. Premature wrinkling is one of the obvious signs that smoking is robbing you of life and vitality. The sooner you quit, the more likely it is that you will be able to reverse all of the various ill effects of smoking, including premature wrinkling.

[SirFox]

There is no doubt that smoking causes people to age prematurely and to die before their time. Premature wrinkling is one of the obvious signs that smoking is robbing you of life and vitality. The sooner you quit, the more likely it is that you will be able to reverse all of the various ill effects of smoking, including premature wrinkling.

Thank you for your post Dave. I do have WRINKLING but not pre and certainly mature between my legs...you know something that we guys have to satisfy a lady's desire for us?

[Norfolkdave]

Thank you for your post Dave. I do have WRINKLING but not pre and certainly mature between my legs...you know something that we guys have to satisfy a lady's desire for us?

Im just stating a fact that smoking causes wrinkles. Its a known fact. if you want to continue to smoke its up to you the individual. I only stopped because my GP frigtened me, and since not smoking, although Im nearly 60 I havent wrinkles at all, just a few age spots. Smoking also causes bad breath, now that alone can be off putting, smoking gets in your hair, there is nothing worse than stale smoke, but like i said its up to the individual. Each time a smoker lights up, that single cigarette takes about 5 to 20 minutes off the person's life. Each to their own Mr ffox Sir, each to their own.

[Eric69]

Some of us need a smoke after a good roll in the hay, but willing to go outside,


for you baby I would make an exception. But please stop for your health want you around a long time

[SirFox]

Im just stating a fact that smoking causes wrinkles. Its a known fact. if you want to continue to smoke its up to you the individual. I only stopped because my GP frigtened me, and since not smoking, although Im nearly 60 I havent wrinkles at all, just a few age spots. Smoking also causes bad breath, now that alone can be off putting, smoking gets in your hair, there is nothing worse than stale smoke, but like i said its up to the individual. Each time a smoker lights up, that single cigarette takes about 5 to 20 minutes off the person's life. Each to their own Mr ffox Sir, each to their own.

Completely agree with you Sir David. Worked for a cigarette company years ago (aaaaaaaaahhhhh the aging thing again....) and stopped the day that I was fired and had NO more cigarettes. I am glad to have stopped.

And yes cigarettes smoke does stink....

[Norfolkdave]

Completely agree with you Sir David. Worked for a cigarette company years ago (aaaaaaaaahhhhh the aging thing again....) and stopped the day that I was fired and had NO more cigarettes. I am glad to have stopped.

And yes cigarettes smoke does stink....

Got a nice ring to it Sir David! I used to smoke myself, rollups but still smoking, Im glad I was frightened, for i have never had Broncitis again, my food tastes so nice, and the home doesnt stink of stale tobacco, and my bank account looks like i feel more healthier.;)

[SirFox]

Got a nice ring to it Sir David! I used to smoke myself, rollups but still smoking, Im glad I was frightened, for i have never had Broncitis again, my food tastes so nice, and the home doesnt stink of stale tobacco, and my bank account looks like i feel more healthier.;)

You could always your pseudo for Norfolk Dave to Sir David...

[Norfolkdave]

You could always your pseudo for Norfolk Dave to Sir David...

I wonder if Penny would change it again to SIr David instead of Norfolk Dave, LOL ;)

[SirFox]

I wonder if Penny would change it again to SIr David instead of Norfolk Dave, LOL ;)

DAVID: I think that a wonderful idea would be Sir David of Norfolk.
Of course that's my idea..

[Norfolkdave]

DAVID: I think that a wonderful idea would be Sir David of Norfolk.
Of course that's my idea..

Yours is wise and good idea my friend, I, will write to Penny later and ask if it can be changed.:wa:

[stonejack]

My wife smokes and I don't . I wish she didn't but she does and if she personaly wants to smoke that's her business I guess . What I don't like is for her to smoke in the house and around the kids . It just isn't acceptable any more and I think someone is insensitive to smoke around non smokers .especially kids . We do have an extra room that she uses now - it smells like an ash tray in there - really gross . One other one is in the car / yep smells like an ashtray . I have my own vehicles and if she drives my car or truck she has to get rid of the butts . I hate to say it if I had it to do over I would not marry a smoker ,but I did and life goes on.

[Jy]

Stonejack, I feel for you, and personally, I think you're being extremely generous with her.
I just hope she isn't smoking when the kids are in the car with her, because opening the window isn't nearly enough.Seccond-hand smoke is more lethal than what the smoker is inhalng, as their pollutants are at least passing through the filter of the cigarette!
And as far as the extra room in the house? I wouldn't let her. The air from that room still infiltrates the rest of the house. Over time, all of you are breathing in crap from her "extra" room.
Sorry. I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say these things, but I wanted to mention them as a reminder to everyone here.

[Norfolkdave]

You aint preaching to me as I know what smoking does, but its up to the individual we cannot tell people what to do, we can only advise, and if they wish to still smoke the onis is on them.

[KIRA187]

Stonejack, I feel for you, and personally, I think you're being extremely generous with her.
I just hope she isn't smoking when the kids are in the car with her, because opening the window isn't nearly enough.Seccond-hand smoke is more lethal than what the smoker is inhalng, as their pollutants are at least passing through the filter of the cigarette!
And as far as the extra room in the house? I wouldn't let her. The air from that room still infiltrates the rest of the house. Over time, all of you are breathing in crap from her "extra" room.
Sorry. I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say these things, but I wanted to mention them as a reminder to everyone here.

OK Jazz.... did you pull out that soap box again! :)

[Wet Beaver]

someone should take her box and make a soap box durby car out of it.....:na

[Sandy]

hey i'm sure belfast would do it for her. :na :D

[Jy]

When it comes to endangering other people's health, especially the lungs of children, I think it's another story. Irresponsible smokers don't just stink up the house; they infringe on other people's basic rights.
I want to qualify this by saying that not all smokers are irresponsible. There are many who smoke outside, won't smoke in the car when the kids are in it, etc. This was not a generalization; this was about a specific group of smokers who put their habit before their loved one's health. Not all smokers are like that. In fact, most of the ones I know are very considerate.
One can't just fluff it off and say "to each his own" when children are involved.



You aint preaching to me as I know what smoking does, but its up to the individual we cannot tell people what to do, we can only advise, and if they wish to still smoke the onis is on them.

[Jy]

...where did this soapbox come from? I thought I had leased it out for the day!




shoving it back under the bed for now...

[spare_change]

Once again, we sacrifice the rights of the minority for the perceived good of others.

I think they call that the tyrrany of the majority.

[Jy]

Honey, we're not talking about a noisy mp3 player or something equally annoying, Spare. We're talking about permanently damaging someone else's lungs. My parents both smoked, and my brother spent most of his childhood in emergency rooms having asthma attacks, and I had chronic bronchitis until I moved out, and am now violently allergic to cigarette smoke because of being exposed to it as a child. When something seriously jeopardizes another person's health, that not "perceived". That's wrong.


I will say again, I"m not referring to all smokers. I'm talking about the ones who make no effort to protect their loved ones from the harms of second-hand smoke.

[belfast]

Ok Jazzy trying to fit in here ...hide the bloody soap box before they stand me on it and put a rope around my neck and kick it out from me;) :wa:

[KIRA187]

Ok Jazzy trying to fit in here ...hide the bloody soap box before they stand me on it and put a rope around my neck and kick it out from me;) :wa:



uh ohhh, them is fighting words!! :D Hold on... it could get a little bumpy in here. I got your back Jazz!!:)

[belfast]

Jazzy is safe ..its me they are going to string up for making her a new one;)


uh ohhh, them is fighting words!! :D Hold on... it could get a little bumpy in here. I got your back Jazz!!:)

[Jy]

I don't think we have anything to worry about Irish; there's been enough people here making good use of the soapbox, that I think they out-number the ones who don't like it (and I"ve seen them stepping up on it many a time too!)

[spare_change]

Honey, we're not talking about a noisy mp3 player or something equally annoying, Spare. We're talking about permanently damaging someone else's lungs. My parents both smoked, and my brother spent most of his childhood in emergency rooms having asthma attacks, and I had chronic bronchitis until I moved out, and am now violently allergic to cigarette smoke because of being exposed to it as a child. When something seriously jeopardizes another person's health, that not "perceived". That's wrong.

I will say again, I"m not referring to all smokers. I'm talking about the ones who make no effort to protect their loved ones from the harms of second-hand smoke.

First, to clarify -- I am NOT a smoker, I quit 11 years ago, due to health reasons. I still suffer the effects of it today.

Second, there is no empirical evidence that second hand smoke is a causative factor in any disease. In fact, it is only been listed as an aggravating or contributing factor in a limited number of studies.

Third, second hand smoke is significantly less "hazardous" than directly inhaled filtered smoke, due to the density absorbed. There have been several cities that have passed a ban on smoking "within 50 yards of a doorway", an absolutely ridiculous concession to a vocal minority who use a non-issue to elevate their own sense of self importance.

Fourth, the technology exists today (and has existed for 30 years) to effect sufficient air exchange in a building that second hand smoke would not be an issue. However, rather than implement this technology (which would cost money), it is far easier for businesses and facilities to mobilize local politicians and far left activists who will deny the rights of the minority for "the greater good of the community".

Fifth, the "sin" tax that every community, state, and country puts on tobacco products and liquor represents unfair taxation of a targeted minority - the last time that happened, the tea got dumped in Boston harbor. This constitutes institutionalized discrimination.

Sixth, having said all that -- I don't like the smell of a cigarette either, and ashtrays bum me out. But, imposing my likes and dislikes on someone else, whether this imposition is institutionalized or not, is nothing short of wrong.

Somebody put this damn soapbox away! I think it's contagious.

[Barkiss]

Spare - I rarely, if ever, agree with Jazzy...and I certainly hate the damn soapbox more than most...but I have to disagree with you in regards to secondhand smoke.

After reading your post, I couldn't believe that there was no proof regarding the dangers of secondhand smoke. By the mere nature of the action, it is obvious anyone nearby is inhaling the same smoke; therefore how could it not be dangerous.

The EPA has contributed the following to secondhand smoke:

In Children:
*Low birthweight for gestational age
*Sudden Infant Death Syndrome(SIDS)- approximately 120 cases per year are attributed to babies breathing in the toxic air created from a cigarette smoked nearby.
*Acute lower respiratory tract infections - the EPA estimates that passive smoking is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 of these infections in children under 18 months annually
*Asthma - the EPA estimates that between 200,000 and 1,000,000 kids with asthma have their condition worsened by second hand smoke. Passive smoking may also be responsible for thousands of new cases of asthma every year
*Chronic respiratory symptoms
*Middle ear infections - exposure to ETS causes buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits yearly

With the heart:
*Heart disease mortality - an estimated 35,000 to 40,000 deaths are caused from heart disease in people who are not current smokers, but who are exposed to ETS
*Acute and chronic coronary heart disease
*Passive smoking has been linked to the narrowing of the carotid arteries, which carry blood to the brain
*Exposure to second hand smoke hastens hardening of the arteries, a condition known as artherosclerosis.

By no means am I a moralistic prude wishing to put my beliefs on anyone else; however, I disagree it isn't dangerous. Obviously not as dangerous as it is to the smoker, but dangerous still...

Personally, I walk away from smokers strictly because I do not like the smell. However, unless I am willing to stop driving my car because of the exhaust, I have no right to tell someone to stop smoking...

[Wet Beaver]

Spare - I rarely, if ever, agree with Jazzy...and I certainly hate the damn soapbox more than most...but I have to disagree with you in regards to secondhand smoke.

After reading your post, I couldn't believe that there was no proof regarding the dangers of secondhand smoke. By the mere nature of the action, it is obvious anyone nearby is inhaling the same smoke; therefore how could it not be dangerous.

The EPA has contributed the following to secondhand smoke:

In Children:
*Low birthweight for gestational age
*Sudden Infant Death Syndrome(SIDS)- approximately 120 cases per year are attributed to babies breathing in the toxic air created from a cigarette smoked nearby.
*Acute lower respiratory tract infections - the EPA estimates that passive smoking is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 of these infections in children under 18 months annually
*Asthma - the EPA estimates that between 200,000 and 1,000,000 kids with asthma have their condition worsened by second hand smoke. Passive smoking may also be responsible for thousands of new cases of asthma every year
*Chronic respiratory symptoms
*Middle ear infections - exposure to ETS causes buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits yearly

With the heart:
*Heart disease mortality - an estimated 35,000 to 40,000 deaths are caused from heart disease in people who are not current smokers, but who are exposed to ETS
*Acute and chronic coronary heart disease
*Passive smoking has been linked to the narrowing of the carotid arteries, which carry blood to the brain
*Exposure to second hand smoke hastens hardening of the arteries, a condition known as artherosclerosis.

By no means am I a moralistic prude wishing to put my beliefs on anyone else; however, I disagree it isn't dangerous. Obviously not as dangerous as it is to the smoker, but dangerous still...

Personally, I walk away from smokers strictly because I do not like the smell. However, unless I am willing to stop driving my car because of the exhaust, I have no right to tell someone to stop smoking...


sorry barkiss...i have to disagree with ya.....Penn&Teller can say it better than i can...it is all bullshit.....

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=shs

[Wet Beaver]

i found one about your epa report.....it links to a washington post artical from 1998


http://www.junkscience.com/news2/wtedets.htm

[Wet Beaver]

now after all that...smokeing is not one of the wises choices a persons can make.....but i do not agree with useing junk science to ban anything.....or to scare people into anything....kinda like the gobal warming scare right now...remember back in the late 60's early 70's we were suppose to be going into a ice age by now.....

[belfast]

After reading all the posts I tend to agree..looks like the I am safe as there are many using it..Will ony peek though when you are on it:wa: :knuddel:





I don't think we have anything to worry about Irish; there's been enough people here making good use of the soapbox, that I think they out-number the ones who don't like it (and I"ve seen them stepping up on it many a time too!)

[Zpanther]

Smoking is dangerous. Second hand smoke is also dangerous. But like a lot of issues, these things get blown out of proportion and taken to the extreme. Some people tend to go banannas and start spouting of gross exaggerations, especially if the issue has had a tragic effect on someone they love.

I smoke, but I don't smoke inside a building or in vehicles. Even outside I don't smoke around anyone else unless they also smoke. I quit for a year and grew to hate the smell of cigarette smoke, so I can sympathize with people who are offended by it.

[Wet Beaver]

Smoking is dangerous. Second hand smoke is also dangerous. But like a lot of issues, these things get blown out of proportion and taken to the extreme. Some people tend to go banannas and start spouting of gross exaggerations, especially if the issue has had a tragic effect on someone they love.

I smoke, but I don't smoke inside a building or in vehicles. Even outside I don't smoke around anyone else unless they also smoke. I quit for a year and grew to hate the smell of cigarette smoke, so I can sympathize with people who are offended by it.


right...i think what they should do is pool the money for all of these studies...and put it in a blind trust...that way the people who is doing the study doesn't know where the money is comeing from....it is the only fair way to test something...........





dang jazzy's soapbox sure makes the rounds on this thread...

[Jy]

The damn thing sure comes in handy, doesn't it Beav?

Barkiss, I think all your points were very well presented, and most of them actually quite accurate. All you have to do is cross-reference each one of those statistics and you will find numerous studies that support each and every point. Check out the surgeon general's stats here in Canada if you want hard proof.
As I said, there are responsible and irresponsible smokers, ZP and MWM being amongst the first group, just to name two from this site.


I guess it boils down to this: Whether you think ETS is harmful or not, do you really want to take chances with your loved one's health? Why risk it?! Go outside!

And as far as what you said about the "tyrrany of the majority" Spare, I really do believe that the majority should have the say, including when a group of people are socializing. If the majority of them are smokers -assuming they're all adults- then the non-smoker put up or leaves, and visa versa.
Children are the exception because they're lungs are clean, delcate, and far more susceptible to infections and viruses, and they rarely get a say about adults smoking in their presence and need someone to speak for them.


...how's the soapbox holding up Irish? Must be due for a tune-up soon!

[Wet Beaver]

jazzy...i am not trying to start a fight with ya....



but is that the same report that surgeon general's stats here in Canada ...that says we can get breast cancer from it??


remember stats can be skew anyway someone wants to be...that is why i think the money should be put in a blind trust.....

[belfast]

As a teacher of statistics I have to agree with you ..I have seen too many take studies .. they have pre-concieved theories ..they dont look at all of the study but only that what e supports their ideas ..I have more fights about this. when they do that and I show them a contridiction of their theory then they say the study is flawed. :wa:

jazzy...i am not trying to start a fight with ya....



but is that the same report that surgeon general's stats here in Canada ...that says we can get breast cancer from it??


remember stats can be skew anyway someone wants to be...that is why i think the money should be put in a blind trust.....

[Wet Beaver]

As a teacher of statistics I have to agree with you ..I have seen too many take studies .. they have pre-concieved theories ..they dont look at all of the study but only that what e supports their ideas ..I have more fights about this. when they do that and I show them a contridiction of their theory then they say the study is flawed. :wa:

thank you belfast.....you get a kiss :kk

[Jy]

Honey, I know you're not trying to start a fight with me. I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, and like to hear all sides of the story.
But statistics aside, I think it all comes down to being a positive role model for your children by either quitting smoking or being considerate.
I said it before: whether you think ETS is harmful or not, do you really want to take chances with your loved one's health? Why risk it?! Go outside!



jazzy...i am not trying to start a fight with ya....



but is that the same report that surgeon general's stats here in Canada ...that says we can get breast cancer from it??


remember stats can be skew anyway someone wants to be...that is why i think the money should be put in a blind trust.....

[Penny]

I just saw on the news that teflon is hazaous to our health now :( Will they ban that next to. :(

[Barkiss]

sorry barkiss...i have to disagree with ya.....Penn&Teller can say it better than i can...it is all bullshit.....

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=shs

Damn...you are right...Penn and Teller are a much better resource than the CDC...my bad.

[Barkiss]

I really don't give a shit, but I hate being called a liar....Next time you see Penn or Teller...tell them bullshit! ;)

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/factsheets/secondhand_smoke_factsheet.htm

Definition

Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of tobacco products (sidestream smoke) and the smoke exhaled by smokers (mainstream smoke).1,2

Secondhand smoke contains a complex mixture of more than 4,000 chemicals, more than 50 of which are known or probable human cancer-causing agents (carcinogens).1,2

People are exposed to secondhand smoke in the home, workplace, and in public venues such as bars, bowling alleys, and restaurants.3

Health Effects

Secondhand smoke is associated with an increased risk for lung cancer and coronary heart disease in nonsmoking adults.1,2,4 Secondhand smoke is a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent).2,4

Because their lungs are not fully developed, young children are particularly susceptible to secondhand smoke. Exposure to secondhand smoke is associated with an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), asthma, bronchitis, and pneumonia in young children.1,5

Current Estimates

An estimated 3,000 lung cancer deaths and more than 35,000 coronary heart disease deaths occur annually among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke.6

Each year, secondhand smoke is associated with an estimated 8,000–26,000 new asthma cases in children.4 Annually an estimated 150,000–300,000 new cases of bronchitis and pneumonia in children aged less than 18 months (7,500–15,000 of which will require hospitalization) are associated with secondhand smoke exposure in the United States.4

Approximately 60% of non-smokers in the United States have biological evidence of secondhand smoke exposure.7

Among children aged less than 18 years, an estimated 22% are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes, with estimates ranging from 11.7% in Utah to 34.2% in Kentucky.8

References
1 National Cancer Institute. Health Effects of Exposure to Environment Tobacco Smoke. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph No. 10 ( PDF - 71k). Bethesda, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute; 1999. NIH Pub. No. 99-4645. Accessed: February 2004.

2 National Toxicology Program. 10th Report on Carcinogens. Research Triangle Park, NC: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Toxicology Program, December 2002. Accessed: February 2004.

3 Pirkle JL, Flegal KM, Bernert JT, Brody DJ, Etzel RA, Maurer KR. Exposure of the U.S. population to environmental tobacco smoke: The Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 1988 to 1991. Journal of the American Medical Association 1996;275(16):1233–1240.

4 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders. Washington, DC: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency;1992. Pub. No. EPA/600/6-90/006F. Accessed: February 2004.

5 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Women and Smoking: A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Office of the Surgeon General; 2001. Accessed: February 2004.

6 CDC. Annual smoking-attributable mortality, years of potential life lost, and economic costs—United States, 1995–1999 ( PDF - 225k). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2002;51(14):300–303. Accessed: February 2004.

7 CDC. Second National Report on Human Exposure to Environmental Chemicals: Tobacco Smoke. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, CDC, National Center for Environmental Health; 2003:80. NCEH Pub No. 03-0022. Accessed: February 2004.

8 CDC. State-specific prevalence of cigarette smoking among adults, and children’s and adolescents’ exposure to environmental tobacco smoke—United States, 1996 ( PDF – 266k). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 1997;46(44):1038–1043. Accessed: February 2004.

[Jy]

Note to self: do whatever it takes to have Barksy on my side during a debate...



You're awesome honey!:kk

[Wet Beaver]

Honey, I know you're not trying to start a fight with me. I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, and like to hear all sides of the story.
But statistics aside, I think it all comes down to being a positive role model for your children by either quitting smoking or being considerate.
I said it before: whether you think ETS is harmful or not, do you really want to take chances with your loved one's health? Why risk it?! Go outside!

i agree with ya...it is a debate,... about how sides skew the studies...now if we could find one study that isn't skew...even our own goverments skew one...so did yours...so my question is what is the truth.. will we ever know?? But the basic fact is smokeingt isn't very healthy

[Wet Beaver]

I really don't give a shit, but I hate being called a liar....Next time you see Penn or Teller...tell them bullshit! ;)

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/factsheets/secondhand_smoke_factsheet.htm

Definition

Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of tobacco products (sidestream smoke) and the smoke exhaled by smokers (mainstream smoke).1,2

Secondhand smoke contains a complex mixture of more than 4,000 chemicals, more than 50 of which are known or probable human cancer-causing agents (carcinogens).1,2

People are exposed to secondhand smoke in the home, workplace, and in public venues such as bars, bowling alleys, and restaurants.3

Health Effects

Secondhand smoke is associated with an increased risk for lung cancer and coronary heart disease in nonsmoking adults.1,2,4 Secondhand smoke is a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent).2,4

Because their lungs are not fully developed, young children are particularly susceptible to secondhand smoke. Exposure to secondhand smoke is associated with an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), asthma, bronchitis, and pneumonia in young children.1,5

Current Estimates

An estimated 3,000 lung cancer deaths and more than 35,000 coronary heart disease deaths occur annually among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke.6

Each year, secondhand smoke is associated with an estimated 8,000–26,000 new asthma cases in children.4 Annually an estimated 150,000–300,000 new cases of bronchitis and pneumonia in children aged less than 18 months (7,500–15,000 of which will require hospitalization) are associated with secondhand smoke exposure in the United States.4

Approximately 60% of non-smokers in the United States have biological evidence of secondhand smoke exposure.7

Among children aged less than 18 years, an estimated 22% are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes, with estimates ranging from 11.7% in Utah to 34.2% in Kentucky.8

References
1 National Cancer Institute. Health Effects of Exposure to Environment Tobacco Smoke. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph No. 10 ( PDF - 71k). Bethesda, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute; 1999. NIH Pub. No. 99-4645. Accessed: February 2004.

2 National Toxicology Program. 10th Report on Carcinogens. Research Triangle Park, NC: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Toxicology Program, December 2002. Accessed: February 2004.

3 Pirkle JL, Flegal KM, Bernert JT, Brody DJ, Etzel RA, Maurer KR. Exposure of the U.S. population to environmental tobacco smoke: The Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 1988 to 1991. Journal of the American Medical Association 1996;275(16):1233–1240.

4 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders. Washington, DC: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency;1992. Pub. No. EPA/600/6-90/006F. Accessed: February 2004.

5 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Women and Smoking: A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Office of the Surgeon General; 2001. Accessed: February 2004.

6 CDC. Annual smoking-attributable mortality, years of potential life lost, and economic costs—United States, 1995–1999 ( PDF - 225k). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2002;51(14):300–303. Accessed: February 2004.

7 CDC. Second National Report on Human Exposure to Environmental Chemicals: Tobacco Smoke. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, CDC, National Center for Environmental Health; 2003:80. NCEH Pub No. 03-0022. Accessed: February 2004.

8 CDC. State-specific prevalence of cigarette smoking among adults, and children’s and adolescents’ exposure to environmental tobacco smoke—United States, 1996 ( PDF – 266k). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 1997;46(44):1038–1043. Accessed: February 2004.

barkiss i never said you lie.... i was just saying...the siences insn't in yet..... are you one who believes that DDt will kill ya...after almost 30 years after it was Ban...or are ya one who believes what someone tells ya without reading any other reshearch.....but as the way the studies are set up any more...the person who runs them..is going to skew them the way that he gets he bread butter form...

if some one get 500,00 dollars to runs a test either pro or anti...which way will he skew it.....

look at gobal warming...we have only records for a little more than 150 years....does that cause a crisis....

[Barkiss]

barkiss i never said you lie.... i was just saying...the siences insn't in yet..... are you one who believes that DDt will kill ya...after almost 30 years after it was Ban...or are ya one who believes what someone tells ya without reading any other reshearch.....but as the way the studies are set up any more...the person who runs them..is going to skew them the way that he gets he bread butter form...

if some one get 500,00 dollars to runs a test either pro or anti...which way will he skew it.....

look at gobal warming...we have only records for a little more than 150 years....does that cause a crisis....


Honestly? No my research comes from watching multiple family die of lung cancer, and their offspring suffer from very severe cases of asthma and two unexplained cases of SIDS. However, I felt that logic would have been too subjective; therefore I took the time to look up the facts (not stats) from the CDC. Like I stated...I don't care what people do and don't do...but you can't compare this to global warming. I can't see the freaking hole in the ozone. But I can see the affects secondhand smoke has on loved ones. I can logically think that if one person is being hurt by inhaling the smoke, then another is probably affected by the remaining smoke?

Obviously this is a sore subject with me, and I apologize if you are taken offense to my rebuttal (I'm assuming you are a smoker?).

[Wet Beaver]

Honestly? No my research comes from watching multiple family die of lung cancer, and their offspring suffer from very severe cases of asthma and two unexplained cases of SIDS. However, I felt that logic would have been too subjective; therefore I took the time to look up the facts (not stats) from the CDC. Like I stated...I don't care what people do and don't do...but you can't compare this to global warming. I can't see the freaking hole in the ozone. But I can see the affects secondhand smoke has on loved ones. I can logically think that if one person is being hurt by inhaling the smoke, then another is probably affected by the remaining smoke?

Obviously this is a sore subject with me, and I apologize if you are taken offense to my rebuttal (I'm assuming you are a smoker?).

honey we all die....sometime young somet time old....but believe it or not....one of these days you will be pushing up daisy......it still doesn't give anyone the right to skew studies...or the media to scare people....



bye the way...i have lost a lot of family members to black lung ...which untill the 1970's was unknow...but it was found with unbiased research...

[jaina]

I know where your coming from smoking is a killer. The air we breath is no better. Between a rock and a hard place . Was not nice to try to fool mother nature.

[Barkiss]

honey we all die....sometime young somet time old....but believe it or not....one of these days you will be pushing up daisy......it still doesn't give anyone the right to skew studies...or the media to scare people....



bye the way...i have lost a lot of family members to black lung ...which untill the 1970's was unknow...but it was found with unbiased research...

Let's just agree to disagree. I'll bow out so you can have the last word...

[Wet Beaver]

agreed...and i am sorry also...i had to walked away from the computer......to settle down some.......dang poltics.....





you are still a sweetie...:kk

[Barkiss]

agreed...and i am sorry also...i had to walked away from the computer......to settle down some.......dang poltics.....





you are still a sweetie...:kk


Now don't get sweet with me, or I'll think something is wrong...;)

[Wet Beaver]

Now don't get sweet with me, or I'll think something is wrong...;)


welll you are still a A-hole...but a sweet one...at times...

[Barkiss]

welll you are still a A-hole...but a sweet one...at times...

Much better...thank you :knuddel:

[Wet Beaver]

Much better...thank you :knuddel:


are ya tring to hijack a thread thats needs to be hijack??:lmao

[Barkiss]

No..I'm going to try and stop that now...I am silencing myself for a while...

[Wet Beaver]

thats a good barkiss,,,,good boy......lol

[Sandy]

i'm a smoker guys, i don't smoke in the house and try very hard to stay away from the kids, but i'll tell you what, i'll get behind the wheel of a car and light a cig, i won't kill anybody, but let me drink a six-pack and get behind the wheel. i think more needs to be done about drunk driving.

[Jy]

I know you are a smoker honey. In fact, I used you as an example. Go read post #145.:kk

[Norfolkdave]

Smoking is up to the idividual, however its much better if you can give it up,hard as it is intially for about 10 weeks, it is better for you in the long run. I know some people will say their are other fumes around, yes there are, but it is smoking that can trigger of so much. I admitt I found it easy as I was frightened into giving it up and now I can look back and say " Thankyou". No more broncitis, no more irritating coughs, no more nicotinned fingers, no more smoky scalp, even the home smells nice. My only trouble since stopping is putting on a little extra weight, cant have it always I suppose, but I would much preffer this than coughing blood etc........................Smoking is entirely up to the reader............Have a nice day.

[Norfolkdave]

i'm a smoker guys, i don't smoke in the house and try very hard to stay away from the kids, but i'll tell you what, i'll get behind the wheel of a car and light a cig, i won't kill anybody, but let me drink a six-pack and get behind the wheel. i think more needs to be done about drunk driving.

Drink Driving you get breatherlized over here and the police can take your car and keys away from you, but the next morning your free to go, this should be a week, to make you realise how silly you have been.

[stonejack]

Stonejack, I feel for you, and personally, I think you're being extremely generous with her.
I just hope she isn't smoking when the kids are in the car with her, because opening the window isn't nearly enough.Seccond-hand smoke is more lethal than what the smoker is inhalng, as their pollutants are at least passing through the filter of the cigarette!
And as far as the extra room in the house? I wouldn't let her. The air from that room still infiltrates the rest of the house. Over time, all of you are breathing in crap from her "extra" room.
Sorry. I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say these things, but I wanted to mention them as a reminder to everyone here.

Jazzy , thanks for the info . . I did some exploring on searches to gather info. and give her some thing to think about . Although being an R.N. I would think she would know this stuff . I would like her to smoke outside only but I am not sure that is going to happen . I am looking into some smoke removers that I may be able to install in the "smoke room" . It is totally disgusting in there . I know it is going to be a process to change this but I am on the right track . I appreciate your opinons Jazzy and I agree --smoking is bad medicine !

[tiger50]

guys, i am a smoker, never quite kicked it, my choice, but i dont smoke in the house, or in the car, or when in close contact with others, unless they smoke too...

[Jy]

Glad I could help honey. I feel for you, really. :kk Good luck.



Jazzy , thanks for the info . . I did some exploring on searches to gather info. and give her some thing to think about . Although being an R.N. I would think she would know this stuff . I would like her to smoke outside only but I am not sure that is going to happen . I am looking into some smoke removers that I may be able to install in the "smoke room" . It is totally disgusting in there . I know it is going to be a process to change this but I am on the right track . I appreciate your opinons Jazzy and I agree --smoking is bad medicine !

[Jy]

Then that makes you one of the responsible smokers I was referring to earlier. Go stand over there with ZP and MWM and enjoy your smoke honey! Kudos to all of you! :kk
Being an ex-smoker myself, I know how hard it is to quit, or even resist for a few minutes until you can have one. In fact, The one thing that keeps me from starting again is the idea of having to go through the process of quitting again.


guys, i am a smoker, never quite kicked it, my choice, but i dont smoke in the house, or in the car, or when in close contact with others, unless they smoke too...

[tiger50]

awwww thanks babe, the roo thanks u too , shittt he has run out of winfields....

[goodgirl12]

I did too Jazzy and I will do it before this SUMMER it's mt goal. 13 Years down the drain!!!!!!!! CRAP :(

[tiger50]

What u need to quit is distractions, sexual distractions, lots of em.... mmmmmm

[goodgirl12]

you think. Now where is he lmao

[belfast]

Wow a compliment and a kiss from wetbeaver...better mark this date on my calander.:)



thank you belfast.....you get a kiss :kk

[Zpanther]

Most of the time you don't have to be a genius or a scientist to figure out that almost anything done to excess is bad for you. If someone were to limit themselves to one or two cigarettes a day, there probably wouldn't be all that much of a health risk. You won't live too long if you don't eat, but you may cut your life short if you eat to excess. This is another subject that people have got a little carried away with. All you have to do is take a walk through Walmart or go to one of those all-you-can-eat buffet places to see there are way to many overweight people out there. But the standard of what is considered overweight by the CDC is ridiculous. Alcohol consumption is small amounts won't hurt you. Drinking to excess will again shorten your life....... and so on.

[Sandy]

your right z :kk it seems no matter what we do nowadays is not good for us, so long as i don't hurt anybody i plan on enjoying myself.

[Norfolkdave]

your right z :kk it seems no matter what we do nowadays is not good for us, so long as i don't hurt anybody i plan on enjoying myself.

Im not digging at you sandy or anyone its up to the individual, ZP is right I go along with everything he says, I feel better through it i suppose, yes I do, but I drink so Im rotting my liver, no one has brought that up yet. No matter what we do in life (as you say) its not good for us, so go out and enjoy.And I do just that only being at home through my disability I get to see things in a different light. You enjoy yours.

[Zpanther]

your right z :kk it seems no matter what we do nowadays is not good for us, so long as i don't hurt anybody i plan on enjoying myself.

There ya go WMW. Meet me outside and we'll have a cigarette...... but just one. We'll find something to talk about like maybe ...... when too much sex is hazardous to your health.



but we won't actually participate in a study of it ...... unless of course Bonz and Lady P were to give us the thumbs up....... :55

[Norfolkdave]

And I,ll supply the Beer

[Cotties]

Wet Beaver can I get kiss for keeping my mouth shut? please!

[Lena]

Cotties how long do you have, for waiting for WB??
And i hope you are prepared for a different type of kiss!!!

[Trev]

Wow a compliment and a kiss from wetbeaver...better mark this date on my calander.:)

she just left barkiss's place, and now kissing you. :D

[Lena]

she just left barkiss's place, and now kissing you. :D

Well Trev, you know WB, she may have a plan in the workings!!!

[Eros]

not that keen myself

[Cotties]

She plays up to it so well. She knows the more she ignores me the more I want her. She has an intoxicating smell that leaves me feeling drunk. I know it's bad for me but it's hell addictive.Cotties how long do you have, for waiting for WB??
And i hope you are prepared for a different type of kiss!!!

[goodgirl12]

good one WB lol

[Lena]

She plays up to it so well. She knows the more she ignores me the more I want her. She has an intoxicating smell that leaves me feeling drunk. I know it's bad for me but it's hell addictive.

Well she is bottling the smell of hers so that she can put it everywhere, so you think its her, to lure you to her hell!!!

[Sinjin Kane]

Poision perfume is great

I love the way women smell something about women is that they are irristable to me.

[Sir_Dragon]

Don't mind at all if she smokes, just as long as she doesn't f*&t

[goodgirl12]

all women fart.... LMAO

[spare_change]

all women fart.... LMAO

I heard this isn't true!!! They don't keep their mouth shut long enough to build up the pressure!

[tiger50]

I heard this isn't true!!! They don't keep their mouth shut long enough to build up the pressure!

and a good thing mate, if ya hold it in then the fart travels up tha spinal cord to tha brain, thats where shitty ideas come from..... :lmao

[Norfolkdave]

and a good thing mate, if ya hold it in then the fart travels up tha spinal cord to tha brain, thats where shitty ideas come from..... :lmao

agree with !!!!:lmao shes,s been using hers for years too

[Marika]

your posted question was.......

[tiger50]

your posted question was.......

hello marika , i trust u are in keeping with good health and well being

[Norfolkdave]

your posted question was.......

They asked me how I knew my true love was true,
I of course replied, something here inside cannot be denied.
They said someday you'll find all who love are blind,
When your heart's on fire, you must realize,
Smoke gets in your eyes.
So I chaffed and then I gaily laughed,
To think that they could doubt my love,
Yet today, my love has flown away,
I am without my love.
Now laughing friends deride tears I cannot hide,
So I smile and say when a lovely flame dies,
Smoke gets in your eyes.

Cough Cough Cough Cough:lmao

[goodgirl12]

and they call me silly.
lol

[Norfolkdave]

and they call me silly.
lol

And whys that!!!!!

[SirFox]

all women fart.... LMAO

GGOODGIRL... everyone farts: It is a question of how delicately one does it to pass off the gaz pressure and then the odour. I hear that the softest ones, the least pressure ones, the ones that make the least noise...are the most rank....

Try farting with delicacy withoutout too many people noticing... :lu :whee:

[tiger50]

GGOODGIRL... everyone farts: It is a question of how delicately one does it to pass off the gaz pressure and then the odour. I hear that the softest ones, the least pressure ones, the ones that make the least noise...are the most rank....

Try farting with delicacy withoutout too many people noticing... :lu :whee:

lol ava good joke on that one,,,, mmmmm ave ta c if i can find it.... :D

[spare_change]

lol ava good joke on that one,,,, mmmmm ave ta c if i can find it.... :D

Have we REALLY digressed so far that we have gone to fart humor? We are spiraling out of control !!

[Norfolkdave]

Have we REALLY digressed so far that we have gone to fart humor? We are spiraling out of control !!

No I dont think we are just another fun outlet.:wa:

[SirFox]

No I dont think we are just another fun outlet.:wa:

Thank you David. Indeed.

[goodgirl12]

something we all do,
funny when kids do IT
why not adults.
HEY OPERA HAD A
SHOW ON THIS

[goodgirl12]

If Your Shopping Walk Fast
At A Party Go Stand Next To
People You Don't Care For Much
Or Just Squezze Them Cheeks
Lmao

[Cotties]

It is true! I have found a page of posts about farts. It's true the kiwi started and assisted by Tiger, but Spare you made the first fart joke and it wasn't tooo bad.


Poor goodgirl admitting that she farts:D then being taught how to do it properly
Have we REALLY digressed so far that we have gone to fart humor? We are spiraling out of control !!

[upstr84u]

no reply

[Wyvern75]

Farting in bed isn't so bad, igniting it while lighting up a cigarette is a bit over the top.

[Dmy]

Hello room................

[Rainmaker]

Farting in bed isn't so bad, igniting it while lighting up a cigarette is a bit over the top.


:D that reminds me of some of the parties i went to when i was younger--the guys would get so drunk and start doing disgusting stuff like that

[Zifnab]

:D that reminds me of some of the parties i went to when i was younger--the guys would get so drunk and start doing disgusting stuff like that
and you loved every one of them too!

[Rainmaker]

and you loved every one of them too!


what the guys or the parties??

mainly i just loved the guys getting drunk so i could flirt with the girls:na

[Zifnab]

what the guys or the parties??

mainly i just loved the guys getting drunk so i could flirt with the girls:na
I will behave here.... the urge to comment is nigh overpowering...

[Rainmaker]

I will behave here.... the urge to comment is nigh overpowering...



:nu

[Zifnab]

touchy today


must be the memory loss

[SirFox]

Hello room................

DREAMY28. Welcome to the Site and Hello. Were you talking to the furniture there or was it an echo that was I hearing? :D

[Wyvern75]

Having in my younger life, watched a guy "fart out" a candle and seeing the afterburner effect, that is one of those things that is best experienced from a far. (Which leads to a Christmas joke)

There was one of the Blogs from Iraq where a Naval Helicopter units (composed of a lot of Field Grade Officers, but as they were aviators you have to consider them still in the Sophomore College year when grouped together) where they write about one of the guys farting through his NOMEX flight suit and producing a 6 inch flame (now that is a lot of gas).

[Rainmaker]

touchy today


must be the memory loss


:whee:

[Rainmaker]

Having in my younger life, watched a guy "fart out" a candle and seeing the afterburner effect, that is one of those things that is best experienced from a far. (Which leads to a Christmas joke)

There was one of the Blogs from Iraq where a Naval Helicopter units (composed of a lot of Field Grade Officers, but as they were aviators you have to consider them still in the Sophomore College year when grouped together) where they write about one of the guys farting through his NOMEX flight suit and producing a 6 inch flame (now that is a lot of gas).

i can just imagine group of men doing stuff like that-:D

[Zifnab]

i can just imagine group of men doing stuff like that-:Dand being jealous that you didn't think of it?

[Rainmaker]

and being jealous that you didn't think of it?


u r on a roll today :lmao

[Zifnab]

u r on a roll today :lmaoI better stand up before the butter stains my pants!!!

[Rainmaker]

I better stand up before the butter stains my pants!!!


ahh so u r going to blame that stain on butter:sc

[Zifnab]

ahh so u r going to blame that stain on butter:scwhat else would it be? does not smell like anything else...

[Sandy]

and how would you know, what it smells like ?:na :D

[Zifnab]

and how would you know, what it smells like ?:na :DI am the one sitting on it....

[Sandy]

lol tmi, tmi, :na

[Rainmaker]

lol tmi, tmi, :na

thats what i was thinking-lol

[Zifnab]

lol tmi, tmi, :nayou asked dear

[Sandy]

lol, all i can think is eewwwwwwww:lmao

[Norfolkdave]

It be more than that if you sat on a fag

[tiger50]

It be more than that if you sat on a fag,

playin safe ere , no comment....:55

[goodgirl12]

that was all too funny
onfl

[Zifnab]

It be more than that if you sat on a fag
translation: if you sat on a smoke.
I feel better about it now! something was starting to twinge for a moment!

[cuddles]

well i smoke to when i dont have a dip i love that wintergreen taste quess thats a turn off to:cry:

[shak]

freud sez smoking is the adult unconscious equivalent of breast feeding... I love submissive women:) guess tha's why I love the look a woman smoking.. in bed..... after we make love:)

[tiger50]

gday shak, welcome to the site, you'll have fun here....

[Newenglandman]

Being a former smoker.... one of "THEM", I don't mind. You know what does bother me is the taste of stale alcohol. If I haven't been drinking, that smell of stale alcohol is a big turn off....

[OICurready4me]

I'm not a big fan of women that smoke but it hasn't stopped me from pursuing one that smokes. My wife never has smoked, but my previous g/f does. If it weren't for the fact that I think when we are together from time to time that she treats my dick like a marlboro (really enjoys it), I probably would care more about the smoking smell but I'm usually so horny by then, I couldn't care less.

[kenanimal]

I have been a smoker for a long time and can't quit.:( Will a man just turn away from a woman if they see she is a smoker?

It all depends on how one smokes. Believe it or not there is the classy smoker and the chain smoker

[Rmb]

It all depends on how one smokes. Believe it or not there is the classy smoker and the chain smoker

I think that these days people are turned off about smoking mainly because of health issues..whether it is a man or woman who is smoking. Many of us now have family members who have died becuse of smoking or inhaling second hand smoke...they also want to protect their kids from exposure. Those big black warnings on the packets are there for a reason.

[Zpanther]

I smoke, so no don't mind at all. In fact it can be a turnon if she smokes while she gets a lickin'.

[fatah]

I was a smoker, three packs of straight Camel's a day for over 30 years. I quit 9 years ago. For the first couple of years the smell did not bother me, now it does. So, yeah, it is a turn off.
I also know that if someone with a habit like me can quit anyone can. The whole secret to quitting anything is to finally get tired of it. If you aren't tired of it you won't quit.

[Spooky13]

Ok is that smoking during sex or after or whenever?

[Cotties]

if she's in the doggy position I don't mind...


no I don't mind but I've never had a serious relationship with a smoker..I smoke