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Old 11-09-2013, 11:45 AM   #1
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Lululemon founder Chip Wilson has decided to blame women for the fact that there is "sheerness" through their popular yoga pants. He has not taken responsibility for the fabric or the way they are made, but rather decided to say that, "Frankly, some women's bodies just actually don't work [for the yoga pants]." He also said, "It's really about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure is there over a period of time, and how much they use it."

Now, these are yoga pants. Yoga pants are supposed to be the most comfortable and durable pants out there. So I told my wife about this story and told her I was going to try on a pair of Lululemon yoga pants to put it to the test. My wife looked at me and kind of smiled. She told me I would not fit into a pair of Lululemon yoga pants.

I told her that was crazy! I wear men's medium shirts and pants. I lost over 200 pounds. Heck, I ran 10 miles today. I could fit into a pair of those pants no problem.

So I looked at the largest size, which was a 12. I was thinking I would be more like an eight or a 10. I mean, Jessica Simpson was a size eight and people called her plus-size. Plus-size models are usually between eight and 18 for women. So I went to Target to try on a pair of size eight yoga pants. I held it up to me and did not even try. Then I went to try on the size 12. It would not even go up my whole leg.

Not that I would ever wear women's yoga pants, but I was bummed. How is it that I wear size medium men's everything and I cannot even fit into a pair of yoga pants? Then I started to wonder what size I actually am in women's clothes.

I now knew I was a "plus-size" woman. So I needed to go to a "plus-size" store. I went to a store called The Avenue Plus. I walked in, and they were not busy. I am glad they were not busy. I went right up to an associate and asked her a simple question:

"What size do you think I am?"

I did not have a chance to tell her I was a writer or I was trying to write about the Lululemon yoga pants. She quickly said:

"Size 20."

TWENTY! I got mad and told her she was crazy. There is no way in the world that I was a size 20! I wore all medium clothes. I ran 10 miles and I lost over 200 pounds.

She told me I had large hips and big legs. She said that with my shoulders there was no way I could fit into anything but a size 20. She held up a few dresses to me to prove that she was right.

She was right.

I thanked her and walked out. While I was in the car I thought about how unfair women's sizes are to men's sizes. I do not wear anything that is considered a large. No one makes comments about my size anymore. I have not ripped or gone through a pair of pants in years.

Yet if I was a woman I would have to shop at "plus-size" stores. I would be too large to be a true "plus-size" model. I would be looked upon as the problem for obesity instead of the solution that some see me as.

And that bothered me.

There is a double standard for men and women. Chip Wilson is way wrong about his pants. They are made wrong; it has nothing to do with the thighs or the hips.

Take it from me. I am a plus-size woman who has never ripped a pair of pants.


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Old 11-09-2013, 12:10 PM   #2
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:15 PM   #3
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I actually like this post. Awesome!
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:17 PM   #4
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I really don't know anything about American women's size. Yet, I can believe American men's sizes are, how shall we call it, "very forgiving"?

For example, right now I'm wearing European style pants which have a very narrow body hugging cut. Yet, in the states when I tried my equivalent size the pants were like for an elephant. Even after going down a few sizes the cut was still very generous and baggy ... and basically designed for fat comfort.
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:26 PM   #5
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I am having a fat day.
That's what I call it anyway.

Years ago I read some article that stated a woman's thighs should never touch and I swear that damn f%&^ing thing scarred me for life. Mine do touch and if I hit even 120 lbs I can look like a mermaid if I'm not working my ass to off to the bone- which I'm not. I'm 5'6.
Now, every now and then I go into a funk for a day or so where every time I look in the mirror I feel like a big blob of fat jelly roll.

Originally I started to respond to this post with a rant about how something is seriously off in regards to this, from a multitude of perceptions, but then as I wrote I realized my response could theoretically apply to any number of posts in the newsroom.

Today...I feel like this...
You know those Where's Waldo books and you have to find Waldo hiding in all the chaos of what is wrong?
That.
Waldo would be looking for what is right.

Yeaaaa......I'm great company this morning.
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:50 PM   #6
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I'm a size 20. I've struggled the majority of my life with my weight. At my worst, I was a size 34.
I'm damn fucking proud of my size 20 ass.
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I look funny skinny. Anything below a nine and people try to feed me. I have thighs like a horse and big breast. I will never wear a small and o cool about it and don't even aspire to such nonsense.
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I heard his interview. He sounds like someone who doesn't know a woman's body. I am a big girl and while I have my insecurities about it, I also have my loves of it. I love my curves and I know many others do too.
I am working on being healthy, but I will never be a small girl. And I am good with that. From the artist standpoint. I am not sure that there are ever more beautiful models than ones with curves.
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I am having a fat day.
That's what I call it anyway.

Years ago I read some article that stated a woman's thighs should never touch and I swear that damn f%&^ing thing scarred me for life. Mine do touch and if I hit even 120 lbs I can look like a mermaid if I'm not working my ass to off to the bone- which I'm not. I'm 5'6.
Now, every now and then I go into a funk for a day or so where every time I look in the mirror I feel like a big blob of fat jelly roll.

Originally I started to respond to this post with a rant about how something is seriously off in regards to this, from a multitude of perceptions, but then as I wrote I realized my response could theoretically apply to any number of posts in the newsroom.

Today...I feel like this...
You know those Where's Waldo books and you have to find Waldo hiding in all the chaos of what is wrong?
That.
Waldo would be looking for what is right.

Yeaaaa......I'm great company this morning.

Agreed with the "something is seriously off". I saw an article yesterday that said the new thing teen girls are striving for is a gap between their upper thighs.
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Always loved women with larger curves something about them turns me on
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I read something once that said that Marilyn Monroe was a size 14 but that a size 14 in her day was much smaller than a size fourteen today.
That has always screwed with me for many reasons. First, why do we always use outrageously beautiful women with hair and makeup teams to compare ourselves to. Second, do they really fuck with sizes that drastically. Third, is that just another way the media uses to make average women who don't walk runways spend money on fad diets.
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Agreed with the "something is seriously off". I saw an article yesterday that said the new thing teen girls are striving for is a gap between their upper thighs.
THAT is what I'm talking about.
I read it back when I was a teenager and it stuck in my head as the end all be all of what to strive for in that area.
Our bone structure IS important.
Our hip width, our shoulders, all of it.
I wear a size 4 ring...this is a reflection of the size of my bones and my body width so that leaves me with an inability to carry much at all without looking WAY heavier than an average bone sized person which I believe the average ring size is a 7 (?).
On the flip side, a person with a size 7 or larger would look ridiculously thin carrying what I do.
How we look to an outsider or the size of our tags can be incredibly misleading as to our overall health and at the end of the day, that is what counts.


Anyhoo...I'm just bitchin.
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Second, do they really fuck with sizes that drastically.
My size is up to 4 sizes higher if I shop at Wal-Mart/Target or an equivalent as opposed to a store in the mall or some other higher priced place.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:25 PM   #14
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I agree with Ivan US clothes are designed for the assumption of a pear shape and I believe Europe is more of a V shape. Being a V shape myself... this means I can never buy tops/bottoms matched in a set. I rarely buy pants unless I plan to have them tailored and suit coats are normally twice the size of the skirt!
As far as the rubbing thighs go... I laugh, because I've been stopped in grocery stores by men telling me I have beautiful legs and my thighs most certainly rub
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I just stepped into my size 20 yoga pants to hit the gym. I guarantee there are some skinny girls somewhere I could run laps around
Healthy doesn't have a size!
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I prefer the days when men liked the hourglass figure - nice chest, thin waist and some hips. I am an hourglass - I'm a size 12 and I think I look great - I have good size boobs and I've always gotten compliments on my figure - I don't like the pictures of the bony anorexic girls with knobby knees and no shape! Who wants to screw a board! Real women feel good all over!
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Chip is an asshole. I've met him once at a party and my father-in-law has friends who have had close dealings with him. They all say "don't ever let him speak in public". He is even worse when you get some drink into him.

His whole buy in to that silly Landmark cult should be enough to let you know that he is not some brilliant man or anything.
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I prefer the days when men liked the hourglass figure - nice chest, thin waist and some hips. I am an hourglass - I'm a size 12 and I think I look great - I have good size boobs and I've always gotten compliments on my figure - I don't like the pictures of the bony anorexic girls with knobby knees and no shape! Who wants to screw a board! Real women feel good all over!
Not me, when the lights go out I want to know I'm with a woman by all those womanly curves. These guys have to want a thin woman because they can't handle a woman with curves since they themselves are the same size!

Those of us who spent our teenage years in the '80's remember and admired men who were more heavily muscled (e.g. Arnold, Sly, The Hulk, pro wrestlers) or at least bigger guys.

But now the 160 lbs. but ripped abs look and skinny jeans is certainly a shift that I struggle with as finding clothes is becoming a challenge for dudes over 200 lbs.

That said, the pressure to literally "fit-in" will never be as tough as it is for women. But guys and girls alike to seem to be changing their traditional body-image to fit into this new-thin paradigm.
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clothes sizes (especially womens clothes) are a complete crap shoot, there is no consistency in sizing and they seem to just make up a number to put on the label. The size you need to fit varies between one store and another and I'm pretty sure people dont actually change size as they move from store to store. Why can't they just specify chest/waist/length etc in inches (or cm), stuff that you can actually measure.
I couldnt care less what size it says on the label, it either fits or it doesnt.

and ladies, if you are plus size then so be it, being a beautiful person isnt measured by what is on the label
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I don't like the pictures of the bony anorexic girls with knobby knees and no shape! Who wants to screw a board! Real women feel good all over!

I don't know why every time the subject of weight comes up and we talk supportively about women of all sizes suddenly it has to take a dive into slamming smaller women.
Does the girls club stop being supportive and caring of each other at a certain size if that size is "less than" some calculated size or is this just some arbitrary figure?

Can't we feel good about ourselves without degrading other people?
What exactly is the bra size that no longer counts as "real woman?"
What is the pants size?
The height?
The weight?

I'm just wondering if these comments are truly speaking about "knobby kneed anorexics" who are generally in so much turmoil they are killing themselves and surely don't need added injury to their psyche or if this is about women who aren't bigger breasted or carrying extra body fat.

This comes up over and over and over so maybe someone can clarify?
Small boobie girls wanna know.
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I'm a big girl, I've always been a big girl, and my bone structure won't allow for anything different. No, I'm not happy with my body, but its a work in progress. Like SW said, if you judge people by size alone, get packing because its what's on the inside that counts with me!
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My post was about women of any size...and I will repeat, if my clothing size matters to you you are too shallow to be friends with me.
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