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Old 11-21-2005, 02:53 PM   #51
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England has a kind of harvest day in October, but no Thanksgiving. That holiday is strictly North American, and is a day to honour the feast that the pilgrims and Indians had as a sign of their new - and short-lived- peaceable living arrangements.

Canada celebrates Thanksgiving the second Monday in October. Traditionally it's a quiet holiday, with a big dinner with familyand that's about it. The Amercians celebrate it on the 24th of November, and traditionally it's a three ring circus, and also the official start of the Christmas holidays.
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England has a kind of harvest day in October, but no Thanksgiving. That holiday is strictly North American, and is a day to honour the feast that the pilgrims and Indians had as a sign of their new - and short-lived- peaceable living arrangements.

Canada celebrates Thanksgiving the second Monday in October. Traditionally it's a quiet holiday, with a big dinner with familyand that's about it. The Amercians celebrate it on the 24th of November, and traditionally it's a three ring circus, and also the official start of the Christmas holidays.
they should change the name..from thanksgiving to christmas shopping eve....
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My husbands best friend in high school came from Scotland. He was hung like a horse.

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We dont have thanksgiving in Scotland either cos the the pilgrims are still here. (only joking Dave, some of my best mates are English
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Methinks there is a much "larger" story here.
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ok....so what happen after strip poker....with the optimal word being poker
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England has a kind of harvest day in October, but no Thanksgiving. That holiday is strictly North American, and is a day to honour the feast that the pilgrims and Indians had as a sign of their new - and short-lived- peaceable living arrangements.

Canada celebrates Thanksgiving the second Monday in October. Traditionally it's a quiet holiday, with a big dinner with familyand that's about it. The Amercians celebrate it on the 24th of November, and traditionally it's a three ring circus, and also the official start of the Christmas holidays.

We Americans are the hedonistic’s of the free world and unfortunately one can not borrow against the future forever...someone has to pay…that is where I fear the sake of our children's future lies.
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We Americans are the hedonistic’s of the free world and unfortunately one can not borrow against the future forever...someone has to pay…that is where I fear the sake of our children's future lies.

Hmmmm --- I don't think I would agree. I have a different view of it -- The advance in American global position isn't because of military might, or financial strength, or surplus of natural resources. Rather, it is because we have developed a national sense of purpose, of growth and exploration. When faced with a problem, we don't throw up our hands, and say "Woe is me!". Rather, we focus all our resources on resolving that problem. Whether it is the race to the moom, or Reagan's commitment to defeating the evil empire, once the die is cast, all hands heave to until the problem is solved. So, any problem we create now (dependence on oil, national debt, social security issues) can be fixed by a national commitment to solving it. We have always been able to, and i see no reason to be less than optimistic today.

The real problem we face now -- temporary, though it may be -- is that we have the leadership of one of our political parties who are more concerned about regaining power than in what is good for the nation. It is inconceivable that our congress should be arguing among themselves - jockeying for political position - when we have troops in the field. One half of the Congress is so intent on demonizing and diminishing the current administration, that they will step on the backs of the elderly and the military in order to get there. It is their myopic, self serving piffle that is the greatest threat to our country today.
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what else is new?

there all like that anymore.
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If you listen closely, you can hear the soft strains of God Bless America when you read spare's post.



Sorry, spare, I'm with xenote on this one.
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If you listen closely, you can hear the soft strains of God Bless America when you read spare's post.



Sorry, spare, I'm with xenote on this one.

It's ok to be wrong --- LOL !!!!!!!!!
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If you listen closely, you can hear the soft strains of God Bless America when you read spare's post.



Sorry, spare, I'm with xenote on this one.
Seriously, though --- tell me more. convince me. I am not close minded -- in fact, i enjoy a spirited debate. (I like showing you the errors of your ways -- lol)

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Well ,the first part of my post was just a stupid joke to get your goat. And as for the second part, I wasn't referring to the states specifically, but to the general commercialism of Christmas everywhere. I'm not adverse to giving gifts, and I certainly plan on making every Christmas of my son's as memorable as possible, but the exploitation of every holiday out there wears me down. Even Hallowe'en is touted now as the perfect occasion to buy your spouse a new car!! We are a comsumer-focussed society, who buy, use, and dispose of materials so carelessly and without conscience. It gets me down.
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why your right?

i can't stand the way they do things now.

its suppose to be for the kids. but they way they do things now. i'm beginning to hate the holidays.
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Well ,the first part of my post was just a stupid joke to get your goat. And as for the second part, I wasn't referring to the states specifically, but to the general commercialism of Christmas everywhere. I'm not adverse to giving gifts, and I certainly plan on making every Christmas of my son's as memorable as possible, but the exploitation of every holiday out there wears me down. Even Hallowe'en is touted now as the perfect occasion to buy your spouse a new car!! We are a comsumer-focussed society, who buy, use, and dispose of materials so carelessly and without conscience. It gets me down.
Okay, you know how much I love my soapbox, so I'm going to stop there, and put the darn thing away.
Fortunately, I was playing with my goat - so, you didn't get it!!

I couldn't agree more about the commercialization of the holidays, though I did find it interesting that you admit, while you don't like it, you are still going to do it. It all seems to fall under that larger umbrella of disintegration of morals and family. Holidays were intended to celebrate something, whether it be religious or secular -- but we feel so guilty about working all the time, or ignoring our kids, that we use the holiday as an excuse to overindulge them.

As for being a consumer-focused society, as it has always been, so it shall always be. Our commercialism is no different than the commercialism of the Roman Empire, or the Anasazi indians, or the Incans. It isn't whether you change it or not -- it's how you react to it, how you manage it. We may be the first civilization to realize that it, in fact, does need to be managed.

Have faith -- and be of good cheer. There truly is hope on the horizon.
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I just KNOW there is a story here that I want to hear!
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We dont have thanksgiving in Scotland either cos the the pilgrims are still here. (only joking Dave, some of my best mates are English
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My husbands best friend in high school came from Scotland. He was hung like a horse.

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Now Penny...how do you know that your husband's friend was hung like a horse? You were visiting stables or what?

You could see that close up without a microscope or a magnifying glass?
Did you happen to be passing past the soccer jocks locker room and "just saw into their showers"?

Hummm....
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We Americans are the hedonistic’s of the free world and unfortunately one can not borrow against the future forever...someone has to pay…that is where I fear the sake of our children's future lies.
I think that we in America and other places have to stop looking at our navels and be so negative. True America is hedonistic, so is the UK ( sorry, David) and France and all the other developed countries. We are ALL borrowing against our children's future.

Some of the the WORLD problems are as follows: 1) we have difficulty consciously accepting that each country has to do something on a GLOBAL scale and join with others to solve those problems because we are still in a country-minded mode, (i.e., France for France, Italy for Italy, Japan for Japan, etc.), 2) we may recognize that we have certain problems in our societies but it is almost always the others who has to solve the problems first, 3) we mistrust more and more everything and everyone, 4) we live in a Global economy that has Global problems with leaders who are 19th century politicians with 19th century ways.

I stop there...otherwise I will get my own Goat.
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Ah, but you assumed when I said I wanted to make Christmas memorable for my son that I was planning on inundating him with gifts, which I haven't ever done or plan to do.
Our Christmases are memorable because of the traditions we've established, such as watching the lighting of the lights in our park, baking, and decorating the house. We help out with community charities each year, and also have a special shopping day to buy for a needy family. We try to teach our son that Christmas is about giving, not about getting.
Of course he gets presents! What parent doesn't look forward to the face of their child as they open a much anticipated gift? But moderation is the key, and remembering the true meaning of Christmas, regardless of your religious beliefs.






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Fortunately, I was playing with my goat - so, you didn't get it!!

I couldn't agree more about the commercialization of the holidays, though I did find it interesting that you admit, while you don't like it, you are still going to do it. It all seems to fall under that larger umbrella of disintegration of morals and family. Holidays were intended to celebrate something, whether it be religious or secular -- but we feel so guilty about working all the time, or ignoring our kids, that we use the holiday as an excuse to overindulge them.

As for being a consumer-focused society, as it has always been, so it shall always be. Our commercialism is no different than the commercialism of the Roman Empire, or the Anasazi indians, or the Incans. It isn't whether you change it or not -- it's how you react to it, how you manage it. We may be the first civilization to realize that it, in fact, does need to be managed.

Have faith -- and be of good cheer. There truly is hope on the horizon.
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that is so true jugs. if we don't teach them who will?

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Wow! Well said fox!




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I think that we in America and other places have to stop looking at our navels and be so negative. True America is hedonistic, so is the UK ( sorry, David) and France and all the other developed countries. We are ALL borrowing against our children's future.

Some of the the WORLD problems are as follows: 1) we have difficulty consciously accepting that each country has to do something on a GLOBAL scale and join with others to solve those problems because we are still in a country-minded mode, (i.e., France for France, Italy for Italy, Japan for Japan, etc.), 2) we may recognize that we have certain problems in our societies but it is almost always the others who has to solve the problems first, 3) we mistrust more and more everything and everyone, 4) we live in a Global economy that has Global problems with leaders who are 19th century politicians with 19th century ways.

I stop there...otherwise I will get my own Goat.
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Here dont you bring mme into your postings as such, Im happy as I am thankyou,
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