The "F" Word

[Sneaky]

Nooooo! Not THAT one!!!

And *NOT* Fisting!


The F word I'm asking about is:
FEMINISM.


Men: When a woman tells you she's a feminist what are your first thoughts? Positive or negative?


Women: Do you consider yourself a feminist? Why or why not?

[sandycrotch]

First thoughts are negative. Oh great, a man hater! And I picture someone in a mumu and "comfortable" sandals, who is prematurely gray.

[OICurready4me]

To me a woman coming out and saying she's a feminist would be the same as a man coming out and saying he is a chauvinist. Do you think those descriptions are appealing? I think not.

I would roll my eyes and move on.

[redcat]

Originally Posted by sandycrotch

First thoughts are negative. Oh great, a man hater! And I picture someone in a mumu and "comfortable" sandals, who is prematurely gray.

Hey!!! I told you to stop peeking in my windows (just knock on the door, lol). Although I DO NOT hate men!!


No Sneaky, I don't consider myself a feminist. I'm not even sure I know the definition of one. But, I do think a woman is capable of doing almost any job and if she is qualified to do a job, no matter what it is, she should be paid equally. Her gender should not prevent her from advancement in her career, and she should be allowed to make decisions that affect her life; she is not her husband's property.

Does that make me a feminist?

[sandycrotch]

Originally Posted by redcat

Hey!!! I told you to stop peeking in my windows (just knock on the door, lol). Although I DO NOT hate men!!


No Sneaky, I don't consider myself a feminist. I'm not even sure I know the definition of one. But, I do think a woman is capable of doing almost any job and if she is qualified to do a job, no matter what it is, she should be paid equally. Her gender should not prevent her from advancement in her career, and she should be allowed to make decisions that affect her life; she is not her husband's property.

Does that make me a feminist?

Of course not Red, and besides, you are MY property!

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by sandycrotch

First thoughts are negative. Oh great, a man hater! And I picture someone in a mumu and "comfortable" sandals, who is prematurely gray.

Interesting.....

[sandycrotch]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

Interesting.....

Hey it's just what comes to mind. I don't really believe in "feminism" "masculism" to paraphrase Ferris Bueller, I don;t believe in any kind of "ism". Why do we need feminists? I think women are men's equals in almost every realm. Aside from a few physical things, women can do pretty much whatever a man can do and I don't see a need to differentiate in amost every area. There are some areas however where I do believe that if women are going to do the job, they should be able to perform the same physical requirements as a man and the standards should not be lowered. Examples, Law Enforcement, Firefighting, Military service. Other than that, I pretty much really like women and have no problem with them holding any position, office or status in our society.

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by OICurready4me

To me a woman coming out and saying she's a feminist would be the same as a man coming out and saying he is a chauvinist. Do you think those descriptions are appealing? I think not.

I would roll my eyes and move on.

To me a chauvinist (male typically, there are lots of female "man hating" ones as well) is someone that has issues with the opposite sex. I think the "bra burning" feminists of the 70's may have contributed o that stereotype. It's important to remember that things were very different when those women were the spokes people for woman at the time. They brought a lot of women's issues to the spot light and paved the way for lots of changes. Now (in my opinion) women can be feminine, ambitious (if they choose to be), mothers, wives, or whatever they want.....

I consider myself a feminist and I don't consider myself a man hater at all. I know the word evokes a lot of emotion and that's why I posed the question.

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by redcat

Hey!!! I told you to stop peeking in my windows (just knock on the door, lol). Although I DO NOT hate men!!


No Sneaky, I don't consider myself a feminist. I'm not even sure I know the definition of one. But, I do think a woman is capable of doing almost any job and if she is qualified to do a job, no matter what it is, she should be paid equally. Her gender should not prevent her from advancement in her career, and she should be allowed to make decisions that affect her life; she is not her husband's property.

Does that make me a feminist?

I don't hate men either. I love one that's running around here in black pants, a vest & a blaster pistol in fact and he's pretty outspoken and has his own mind to say the least! LOL.

By my definition, Red, I consider you a feminist. I think everyone's definition is different which is why I was curious about people thoughts.

PS--I love your skirt!

[jmsmith12345]

Feminism has taken on an ugly badge because those who choose to trumpet it are not actually feminine. Somewhere along the line, being feminine became negative to some women, and we men were too damned scared to stand up to the movement and still appreciate our women for being women...yet allowing them to be themselves. Personally, I hate the term feminism. To me it implies that women needed validation to be women. But, I hate all "isms" due to the same slants that lead us to needing an "ism" in the first place. To sum up my little rant, I celebrate the woman, not the "ism" and if a feminist disagrees, I have some lighter fluid to help you burn your bra.

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by sandycrotch

Hey it's just what comes to mind. I don't really believe in "feminism" "masculism" to paraphrase Ferris Bueller, I don;t believe in any kind of "ism". Why do we need feminists? I think women are men's equals in almost every realm. Aside from a few physical things, women can do pretty much whatever a man can do and I don't see a need to differentiate in amost every area. There are some areas however where I do believe that if women are going to do the job, they should be able to perform the same physical requirements as a man and the standards should not be lowered. Examples, Law Enforcement, Firefighting, Military service. Other than that, I pretty much really like women and have no problem with them holding any position, office or status in our society.

Well, by my definition, you sound like a Feminist Sandy. (Men can be feminists too! LOL)

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by jmsmith12345

Feminism has taken on an ugly badge because those who choose to trumpet it are not actually feminine. Somewhere along the line, being feminine became negative to some women, and we men were too damned scared to stand up to the movement and still appreciate our women for being women...yet allowing them to be themselves. Personally, I hate the term feminism. To me it implies that women needed validation to be women. But, I hate all "isms" due to the same slants that lead us to needing an "ism" in the first place. To sum up my little rant, I celebrate the woman, not the "ism" and if a feminist disagrees, I have some lighter fluid to help you burn your bra.

LOL! Mine are too cute & I pay too much for them to burn them!!!

I used to have a pin on my jacket in my 20's the I wore that said:
"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people".

[jmsmith12345]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

LOL! Mine are too cute & I pay too much for them to burn them!!!

I used to have a pin on my jacket in my 20's the I wore that said:
"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people".

You are people??? no wonder we men don't take you seriously. You "people" are schizo!!! with great booty, but still schizo.

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by jmsmith12345

You are people??? no wonder we men don't take you seriously. You "people" are schizo!!! with great booty, but still schizo.

Great schizo booty?? Well at least the bra burning wasn't in vain. LOL.

[jmsmith12345]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

Great schizo booty?? Well at least the bra burning wasn't in vain. LOL.

Are the bras stripey too?

[Midwest girl]

feminism : A social theory or political movement supporting the equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life; specifically, a theory or movement that argues that legal and social restrictions on females must be removed in order to bring about such equality.

feminist : A person who supports the equality of women with men. A member of a feminist political movement. One who believes in the social, political, and economical equality of the sexes

feminine : Having the qualities associated with a woman or the female gender; suitable to, or characteristic of, a woman; nurturing; not masculine or aggressive

I beleive in the first one. I have to, its my responsibility as a woman and mother.
I am the second as I previously stated.
I am also the third and proud of it.

I try not to get on a soap box about it, but in my profession I deal with all types of stereotypes. Its hard to beleive in this day and age that in some places, woman are still viewed as the "lesser" gender, no matter the miracles that can be performed by their bodies only.

I agree that a man or woman can be a chauvinist, and in every group there is the extreme member and/or group that grabs the spotlight and gives the whole movement a bad rap. I feel its my responsibility to know my rights as a woman and to make sure they are respected. But I also know my place as a mother, in raising boys to understand that women are their equals, and are to be treated as such....

[Han Solo]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

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Men: When a woman tells you she's a feminist what are your first thoughts? Positive or negative?


Women: Do you consider yourself a feminist? Why or why not?

Do you REALLY wanna touch off THIS powderkeg on a SATURDAY?? Remember, I still have my Pass till Sunday

OK, but seriously....Midwest, thanks for posting the literal interpretation. Since I do believe in the equality of men and women, I suppose by the definition above that makes me a feminist (I refuse however to wear the silky underthingy's). In my practical experience I have to admit that the first feeling that jumps to mind when someone states they are a feminist is negative. My particular experience is that those women tend to be more hypersensitive to equality issues that they end up showing everyone a little chip on their shoulder that comes across negatively. In other words, talk to me and treat me like I treat you. If Bob down the hall assumes that because you are a woman that you are to fetch his coffee, then go explain to him where he can stick his coffee the next time he asks. But don't allow those feelings to project into generalities about "man" vs. "woman"...I personally hate generalities when trying to make a case for things like that.

So I suppose by definition I've learned that loads more people than I might think qualify as feminists. But in my experience the women who actually go out of their way to say or try to PROVE they are feminists just tend to project it in a negative way. I suppose I look at this this way. If you feel that things are unequal then spend your day SHOWING everyone in the way that you perform why you should be treated equally, not spending it explaining how someone has passed judgement on you and held you back.

Yes, possibly easier said than done speaking as a man's point of view......I've worked WITH and FOR women in my career and the one thing has always been true in my experience...the women who perform earn the respect of their peers and subordinates and are the ones chosen for the promotions. That's been my experience anyway so I don't really tend to look at things as man or woman, it's more about do you do your job or not.

[Charmed]

Yoooooooooooooooooo Is the the FU thread ?

[Charmed]

I Need Beer

[Charmed]

Hey Sneaky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't wanna work, I just wanna look sexy all day..... What do you think about that! HA!

[Nice]

I feel the need for speed!

[Charmed]

Damn! niceones.........Sexy bitch!

[Charmed]

What is FEMINISM??????

Someone need a minipad?

[Nice]

Is that a wipe of some sort?

Originally Posted by MyFavMistake^f

What is FEMINISM??????

Someone need a minipad?

[Charmed]

LMAO.....

I dunno we don't have FEMINISM in Po Dunk!