Military Service

redcat · 09-25-2009, 12:48 PM

Talked with my son yesterday and he's again considering the service. Overall, I think it would be a good thing for him ~ he plans to speak with an Army recruiter. I'm not sure of his motivation, nor whether I should question it.

I know there are many here who have been or still are in the military. To those, or anyone...how about sharing your thoughts here....would you recommend it, which branch and why? Do you feel there are common pitfalls that should/could be avoided, etc. Anything you wish you had known going in rather than having to learn the hard way?

I know there will be smartass remarks and that's great..but I'd also appreciate any information you have that you should share with a young person in your life as they consider this step. Thanks.

titlicker · 09-25-2009, 12:54 PM

spent time twenty years ago. good experience but hated it. I think the better branch would be the AirForce. They have better schooling opportunities. 20/20 vision and he could apply to be a pilot.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by titlicker

spent time twenty years ago. good experience but hated it. I think the better branch would be the AirForce. They have better schooling opportunities. 20/20 vision and he could apply to be a pilot.

Thanks for your response, lick..could you expand on that? What branch were you in? Why do you feel it was a good experience if you hated it? Isn't the Air Force kind of treated like the redheaded stepchild of the military..but what kind of schooling opps are you talking about?

Sorry, I'm really on a fact-finding mission here, I guess. Not sure he'll listen, but can't hurt if there's some info to pass on.

titlicker · 09-25-2009, 01:09 PM

My time was spent im the Army. I think every man and woman should have to go through bootcamp whether they enlist or not. It teaches respect and discipline. The Air Force is actually a neat branch in the sense that you could fly planes, you can be in there special force group and get to see much of the world. The schools are on the caliber of technology, a wonderful opportunity in todays time. I believe they even have a medical field or the MP(Military Police). Both great jobs when you get out.

clyff27usmc · 09-25-2009, 02:05 PM

I'm are Marine, I was commissioned after I graduated college in 05. I've been to combat twice, but thats why I joined. I don't recommend my branch of service unless thats something a person wants to do. The recruiter will sell what ever he has to to get a strike, such as GI Bill, sign on bonus etc. The bottom line is those things can never be the motivation why someone joins the military. Being an officer I recommend to everyone who ask me that they should go to college first, regardless if they want to be an officer or not. The reason is I have had many Marines tell me they had wished they had done so, but never once have any of my Marines who completed college say they had wished they had joined the Marines first. Thats my down and dirty two cents, but pleas feel free to ask me anything your son would like to know. I have worked with all branches and can speak a great deal about all of them. Also, if you would like to filter any info you get form the recruiter through me I would be willing to help.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by clyff27usmc

I'm are Marine, I was commissioned after I graduated college in 05. I've been to combat twice, but thats why I joined. I don't recommend my branch of service unless thats something a person wants to do. The recruiter will sell what ever he has to to get a strike, such as GI Bill, sign on bonus etc. The bottom line is those things can never be the motivation why someone joins the military. Being an officer I recommend to everyone who ask me that they should go to college first, regardless if they want to be an officer or not. The reason is I have had many Marines tell me they had wished they had done so, but never once have any of my Marines who completed college say they had wished they had joined the Marines first. Thats my down and dirty two cents, but pleas feel free to ask me anything your son would like to know. I have worked with all branches and can speak a great deal about all of them. Also, if you would like to filter any info you get form the recruiter through me I would be willing to help.

Thanks, clyff..I would definitely like to talk to you about this more. As I said, I doubt he'd listen much, but if I have some solid info, who knows? He is savvy enough to realize the recruiter's pretty much gonna bullshit him to get his name on the dotted line...but I'm trying to encourage him to think about what he can learn that will help him afterwards, etc.

I appreciate the info...catch you in the chat room sometime maybe and we can discuss further.

clyff27usmc · 09-25-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by redcat

Thanks, clyff..I would definitely like to talk to you about this more. As I said, I doubt he'd listen much, but if I have some solid info, who knows? He is savvy enough to realize the recruiter's pretty much gonna bullshit him to get his name on the dotted line...but I'm trying to encourage him to think about what he can learn that will help him afterwards, etc.

I appreciate the info...catch you in the chat room sometime maybe and we can discuss further.

Yeah, no prob. I will say though if your son is interested in officer programs he will have to talk to an OSO (Officer Selection Office). The enlisted recruiter will not want to give him this information. You should be able to find the one in your area on the Web if that is something that interest your son.

Tempest · 09-25-2009, 02:38 PM

Hi Red! I am proud of your son for even considering service in this tumultuous time. That said, I am an Air Force girl. I went in a little late, I was 19 and had been on my own for awhile. So I didn't fall for too much Recruiter BS. I went in and said guarantee me a desk job, and I'll sign. He did and I got shipped off to Panama. It was great. Those four years taught me discipline, responsibility, and independence. I would have him think hard about what "kind" of military he wants to join, because all the branches are sooo different. I always tell people that the Air Force can feel like working for a corporation, you don't work a lot of overtime, you don't have the same kinds of exercise regiment or other stuff. It's like being a civilian in uniform most of the time. Especially if you work in an office. My other advice would be to take college classes while he's in. Then the classes are mostly free and the he's not using his money. And if he finishes a degree while he's enlisted, there's the possibility of becoming an Officer.

I know someone from every branch that would be willing to talk to him. If you or he has any questions, email me and I'd get the answers for you. It's a HUGE step, but if you go into it with an educated opinion (as with most decisions) you and he will be happy with his ultimate choice. Good luck!!

glamourgirl · 09-25-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by redcat

Talked with my son yesterday and he's again considering the service. Overall, I think it would be a good thing for him ~ he plans to speak with an Army recruiter. I'm not sure of his motivation, nor whether I should question it.

I know there are many here who have been or still are in the military. To those, or anyone...how about sharing your thoughts here....would you recommend it, which branch and why? Do you feel there are common pitfalls that should/could be avoided, etc. Anything you wish you had known going in rather than having to learn the hard way?

I know there will be smartass remarks and that's great..but I'd also appreciate any information you have that you should share with a young person in your life as they consider this step. Thanks.

Oh honey!!!
After losing my son in Afghanistan i was shocked to learn that my youngest daughter is also looking at serving...
She has chosen the Navy and the nursing program....to be specific.
I have spent a considerable amount of time talking to OGP...getting my questions answered and making sure she is getting the path she desires.
That (for me) is the key... to make sure the kids get into the program that they want, and sometimes i think that they need to look at a few different options, to make sure they will be happy with what they are doing.
I did the same with my son, then asked him to think about it for a week before he gave an answer...he never looked back... my daughter will be the same way.
BTW he loved the 82 airborne! Everything about it and has amazing friends, and loved his job.
For our kids thats what every parent wants.

NurseDude66 · 09-25-2009, 02:57 PM

Hi Redcat,

I am a 6 year navy vet. Currently, all services are offering advanced electronics training. which is one of only a few career paths that will serve a vet for life. Machinists, mechanics, electricians are a few of the other wise choices. I was a Missile systems tech, and it translated fairly well into civilian life. As far as risk reward, I used to give the nod to the air force, but that has changed since 1991. The airforce rotation into tent cities in the middle east if HORRIBLE. The least risk is currently in the navy, not to mention the superior travel. Also, the navy has the highest turnover so one can advance quicker. I was an e-6 in 5 years in he navy. Few programs in oher services can move you like that.

as important as the service you choose is the job you choose. Will it translate into civilian life? ALso, the recruiter wont tell you that joining the reserves gives the recruit more leverage. here's an example:

Standard 4 year recruit.

goes to boot camp, goes to school, goes to work. If he hates it, he's stuck. He might get sent to a place he hates in a job he haes working for a junior officer he hates.

reserve recruit:

Goes to bootcamp, goes to school, goes home.
THEN he can decide if he likes at. At that time, he can call his reserve officer and choose to go active for 2 years... most of the time, he will get to choose his duty station. he can negotiate for another school.... this can go on and on, negotiating for station, rank, and school. A regular recruit will never have this type of freedom.

*** disclaimer. During war time, all best are off. It is possible for a reservist to get activated wihout ANY regard to their preferences. Currently, ONLY the navy is not activating recruits. The AF is activating very few, and the army, marines, and national guard are rotating reservist in and out...

These are things your son should know, but noone will tell him.

How old is he? What is his current income status? Can he get the career he wants at community college for free? If he has made less than 30k on his last tax return, he majority of his education will be covered under the current Pell grants.

Ill watch the thread to see if I can help more

scoobertina · 09-25-2009, 03:24 PM

I spent 24 years in the Navy.. as a reserve.. 3 and 1/2 years of active duty..

I loved it.. I was an aviation hydraulic (structures) mechanic..

My son is a Marine.. he isn't sure he likes the Corps.. he doesn't see what he will do with his training other than shoot guns..

Have him pick something that he thinks he can use later in life.. I can go into any hydraulic shop and rebuild pumps, motors, valves, and cylinders... but I also have a job now (if I pass the training) as a sheet metal mechanic.. building airplanes.. great pay.. and because of my military experience...

Many employers appreciate the military because of their dedication.. their loyalty.. etc...

I loved it.. but it isn't for everyone...

Big O · 09-25-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by clyff27usmc

I'm are Marine, I was commissioned after I graduated college in 05. I've been to combat twice, but thats why I joined. I don't recommend my branch of service unless thats something a person wants to do. The recruiter will sell what ever he has to to get a strike, such as GI Bill, sign on bonus etc. The bottom line is those things can never be the motivation why someone joins the military. Being an officer I recommend to everyone who ask me that they should go to college first, regardless if they want to be an officer or not. The reason is I have had many Marines tell me they had wished they had done so, but never once have any of my Marines who completed college say they had wished they had joined the Marines first. Thats my down and dirty two cents, but pleas feel free to ask me anything your son would like to know. I have worked with all branches and can speak a great deal about all of them. Also, if you would like to filter any info you get form the recruiter through me I would be willing to help.

My son graduated from OCS this summer. He will graduate from Northeastern Univeristy in May and then he will become commissioned. He wants to eventualy work for the government in some sort of security field and thought that being a commissioned officer in the Marines would help his resume. I'm a little concerned because I know that he will do a tour of duty overseas but I will just pray for him everynight and hope he makes it through. I'm proud of my son and I am also proud of you clyff.

Big O · 09-25-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourgirl

Oh honey!!!
After losing my son in Afghanistan i was shocked to learn that my youngest daughter is also looking at serving...
She has chosen the Navy and the nursing program....to be specific.
I have spent a considerable amount of time talking to OGP...getting my questions answered and making sure she is getting the path she desires.
That (for me) is the key... to make sure the kids get into the program that they want, and sometimes i think that they need to look at a few different options, to make sure they will be happy with what they are doing.
I did the same with my son, then asked him to think about it for a week before he gave an answer...he never looked back... my daughter will be the same way.
BTW he loved the 82 airborne! Everything about it and has amazing friends, and loved his job.
For our kids thats what every parent wants.

GG, I'm sorry for the loss of your son, and even though I never knew him, to me he is one of the true heros of our country.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Hi Red! I am proud of your son for even considering service in this tumultuous time. That said, I am an Air Force girl. I went in a little late, I was 19 and had been on my own for awhile. So I didn't fall for too much Recruiter BS. I went in and said guarantee me a desk job, and I'll sign. He did and I got shipped off to Panama. It was great. Those four years taught me discipline, responsibility, and independence. I would have him think hard about what "kind" of military he wants to join, because all the branches are sooo different. I always tell people that the Air Force can feel like working for a corporation, you don't work a lot of overtime, you don't have the same kinds of exercise regiment or other stuff. It's like being a civilian in uniform most of the time. Especially if you work in an office. My other advice would be to take college classes while he's in. Then the classes are mostly free and the he's not using his money. And if he finishes a degree while he's enlisted, there's the possibility of becoming an Officer.

I know someone from every branch that would be willing to talk to him. If you or he has any questions, email me and I'd get the answers for you. It's a HUGE step, but if you go into it with an educated opinion (as with most decisions) you and he will be happy with his ultimate choice. Good luck!!

Thanks, Temp...good info about the Air Force, and I'll keep you in mind if I have further questions.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NurseDude66

Hi Redcat,

How old is he? What is his current income status? Can he get the career he wants at community college for free? If he has made less than 30k on his last tax return, he majority of his education will be covered under the current Pell grants.

Ill watch the thread to see if I can help more

Thank you for all of your information, ND. The difference between recruit and reservist is very helpful.

He is 25 and talking like, if he decides to do this, he'll wait until May when some of his obligations are gone, so reserves may be a good option. His income negates the possibility of Pell grants (and bills/work schedule won't allow him even comm. college classes). He has a few college credits he earned through dual enrollment in high school.

I know he is having to factor in a signing bonus, due to his financial situation, and I honestly am not sure that he's thinking about how his job in service could serve him in civilian life.

Maybe, if I have some information and he realizes that I'm trying to help him, not tell him what to do...he might consider it. Do you get the idea that he's bullheaded and obstinate? LMAO

redcat · 09-25-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scoobertina

I spent 24 years in the Navy.. as a reserve.. 3 and 1/2 years of active duty..

I loved it.. I was an aviation hydraulic (structures) mechanic..

My son is a Marine.. he isn't sure he likes the Corps.. he doesn't see what he will do with his training other than shoot guns..

Have him pick something that he thinks he can use later in life.. I can go into any hydraulic shop and rebuild pumps, motors, valves, and cylinders... but I also have a job now (if I pass the training) as a sheet metal mechanic.. building airplanes.. great pay.. and because of my military experience...

Many employers appreciate the military because of their dedication.. their loyalty.. etc...

I loved it.. but it isn't for everyone...

Thanks, scoob..and CONGRATULATIONS!!!! on the new job. I know military life isn't for everyone..he has talked about it off and on since he was a junior in high school.

I think he has started to realize he can't party for the rest of his life and is hopefullly, now, looking towards his future.

I've told him for years the military might be the best thing for him...someone/something to break him down a bit and discipline him. He's very oppositional, but I think he has it in him to be a real good man.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourgirl

Oh honey!!!
After losing my son in Afghanistan i was shocked to learn that my youngest daughter is also looking at serving...
She has chosen the Navy and the nursing program....to be specific.
I have spent a considerable amount of time talking to OGP...getting my questions answered and making sure she is getting the path she desires.
That (for me) is the key... to make sure the kids get into the program that they want, and sometimes i think that they need to look at a few different options, to make sure they will be happy with what they are doing.
I did the same with my son, then asked him to think about it for a week before he gave an answer...he never looked back... my daughter will be the same way.
BTW he loved the 82 airborne! Everything about it and has amazing friends, and loved his job.
For our kids thats what every parent wants.

Glam, knowing you lost your son, I can't imagine what you must be feeling with your daughter. I"m glad to hear you are getting some information to help her. Please keep me posted on what's going on...you'll both be in my prayers.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big O

My son graduated from OCS this summer. He will graduate from Northeastern Univeristy in May and then he will become commissioned. He wants to eventualy work for the government in some sort of security field and thought that being a commissioned officer in the Marines would help his resume. I'm a little concerned because I know that he will do a tour of duty overseas but I will just pray for him everynight and hope he makes it through. I'm proud of my son and I am also proud of you clyff.

Thoughts and prayers to you and your son, O.

redcat · 09-25-2009, 05:13 PM

Thank you all for the information you've provided. I've learned much, so far. As you think of things, I hope you'll come back and share them with me. He sees the recruiter mid-week, next week...and while I doubt he'll be making any decision that day, I'd like to know as much as I can asap. Of course, right? LOL

And to each and every one of you who have served, are serving or have family who have or are serving now...thank you and God bless you!

NurseDude66 · 09-26-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by redcat

Thank you for all of your information, ND. The difference between recruit and reservist is very helpful.

He is 25 and talking like, if he decides to do this, he'll wait until May when some of his obligations are gone, so reserves may be a good option. His income negates the possibility of Pell grants (and bills/work schedule won't allow him even comm. college classes). He has a few college credits he earned through dual enrollment in high school.

I know he is having to factor in a signing bonus, due to his financial situation, and I honestly am not sure that he's thinking about how his job in service could serve him in civilian life.

Maybe, if I have some information and he realizes that I'm trying to help him, not tell him what to do...he might consider it. Do you get the idea that he's bullheaded and obstinate? LMAO

For new recruits, a signing bonus isn't such a big deal. They are generally paid after school is completed and are not enough (even if its 5k) to devote 4 to 6 years for. Now, RE-ENLISTMENT bonuses can be huge! The tighter the field, the higher the retention bonus. To that end, again, reserves is the way to go. Bonuses are paid for re-enlistments of 4 and 6 years. Those become available at the end of the first full time enlistment. For a reservist, that is 2 years, for the others, it is four or six before that bonus rolls around. I harp on this 2 year thing because NO ONE will tell him about it. If I had to do it all over again, that is the ONLY path I would choose. I have advised many young people on this over the years and some simply HATED the life. They finished school, put in their one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer, gutting it out.. but it was better then a ful time 4 yr hitch.

...here if you need me.

BUT, I have to say... if he makes too much to qualify for pell, I would have to think that making a civilian living will address his debts a lot faster than a military paycheck. Of course, if he decides to deploy for a lengthy tour and simply lives on base, eats what's served, and stays away from teh booze and women, he can come home with a bundle. I used to cut hair for 5 bux a head. I lived off haircutting money and never cashed a check... in those days, coming home with 10k in your pocket bought a nice car.

jasper669 · 09-26-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by glamourgirl

After losing my son in Afghanistan i was shocked to learn that my youngest daughter is also looking at serving...

Glam,

Thank you very much for your son and his service to our country; I am so very sorry to hear about his loss. To know that your daughter is also considering to join the military after your son's loss and your reaction to it speaks strongly regarding the quality of your family and how you have raised them. You should be proud. Our country was built and is sustained by families like yours. Again, thank you.

jasper669 · 09-26-2009, 08:17 AM

Red,

As you know I recently retired after serving over twenty-plus years. I enlisted, worked my way through the ranks, went to college different times and earned degrees, and served as an officer for over half of my career. Due to the types of skills/jobs I do/did, I worked with all of the branches of the military and some foreign military units. I do not write this to sound arrogant, only to provide a reference for my comments...

The branch of service he selects depends on what he is interested in doing and his personality type. Air Force has great education, majority of stateside job locations, and as previously mentioned, the most like a business or corporation. For these reasons, many rate it as the best service but you had better like airplanes. They do many other things, but planes are the main thrust.

The Navy has some of the most technical jobs in the services, look at their nuclear power jobs (officer and enlisted); however, you had better like to travel (in peace or war the Navy's OPTEMPO is nearly the same) and like water and travel. The Navy also has some very good education opportunities but difficult to utilize due to the deployment cycles.

To be a Marine one needs the mind set; it is a special club. They are great group of motivated people. Know that you are a gun carrying shooter first, and what ever your occupation/skill is second. Skill/trade learning is not as good as the Air Force or Navy.

The Army is tough and as the largest service and nature of their purpose has many different trades to choose from, so pick carefully. Most of the people I met and worked with from the Army were not enjoying their time, even though they had re-upped (very strange that they stayed in). Right now, they spend most of their time deployed overseas, but historically they are like the Air Force, mostly stateside.

We have four services (five if you count the Coast Guard, which is worthy of consideration) because of the unique service they provide and the respective culture required. Each is unique and needed by our country, even though we tease the he!! out of each other (not to mention fight each other).

Regarding enlisted or officer...I was both and both taught me invaluable lessons, how to lead and how to be led without bitterness. Regarding college, there are many paths to college. I was not focused and too wild (don't worry, I am quite tame now and no need to be afraid, lol) to go to college right out of high school; I would have wasted money I did not have and failed.

This selection all goes back to your son's personality and what he is looking for in life. As a young man, he is trying to make his way through this life and it is a journey you will come in and out of sharing it with him, but a journey none the less that he will need to walk on his own. You are doing the right thing by trying to arm him with information. Recruiters will tell him anything he wants to hear to get him to sign. If they offer him something (specific job, etc.), make sure you get it in writing!!!! If they say they can't, then move on to another recruiter or ask to talk to the officer in charge of their recruiting area and go over the contract with him or her.

Best of luck to him and your family Red!!!!

scoobertina · 09-26-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by redcat

Thanks, scoob..and CONGRATULATIONS!!!! on the new job. I know military life isn't for everyone..he has talked about it off and on since he was a junior in high school.

I think he has started to realize he can't party for the rest of his life and is hopefullly, now, looking towards his future.

I've told him for years the military might be the best thing for him...someone/something to break him down a bit and discipline him. He's very oppositional, but I think he has it in him to be a real good man.

you know... it is good for that.. and sometimes the ones who need it the most don't realize it until they are there... he may find that he wants to make a career out of it.. but if not.. he can at least take advantage of the GI Bill.. maybe he will figure out what he wants to do with his life after some serious soul searching...

redcat · 09-27-2009, 09:55 PM

He seems to have decided to go Army. Not sure he's even going to check into the other branches, but I gave him some of the information y'all posted. Hopefully he'll have enough of an open mind to go in there well informed.

To each of you...thank you for taking your time to respond. This coming week will tell a bit more.

OGP · 09-28-2009, 09:24 AM

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I hope I am not to late.

As others have said, the most important thing to consider is what your son wants out of his service. Each branch of the military has things to offer but it is up to your son to decide which one offers what he wants and needs most.

In my humble opinion, unless he wants to deploy as a ground trooper the Army and Marine Corp are not the way to go right now. Both branches are in constant need of basic infantry and it is difficult to join in another capacity.f

The Air Force and Navy both over a wider opportunity for specialty training that will be useful after service however the availability of specific "jobs" may be limited. Much also depends on how he scores on the ASVAB as all branches use the results of the test to qualify applicants for future training. Almost any civilian job has a military counterpart and he should have a very clear idea of what he wants before stepping foot in a recruiters office.

I personally think he should speak to more than one branch. The job he wants may not be available in one but is in another. They also each have different signing bonuses (I know that is a factor for him) and different incentive programs. Like buying a car, he should know the offers available to him.

To clear up any possible misunderstanding in wording that I saw earlier.... All newly entered military personnel are refereed to as recruits until they complete basic training. Active duty and reserves usually both attend the same basic training pipeline.

09-25-2009, 12:48 PM	#1
redcat Forum Leader Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 53 Posts: 10,815 My Mood: Thanks: 1,500 Thanked 1,669 Times in 1,208 Posts Blog Entries: 8	Military Service Talked with my son yesterday and he's again considering the service. Overall, I think it would be a good thing for him ~ he plans to speak with an Army recruiter. I'm not sure of his motivation, nor whether I should question it. I know there are many here who have been or still are in the military. To those, or anyone...how about sharing your thoughts here....would you recommend it, which branch and why? Do you feel there are common pitfalls that should/could be avoided, etc. Anything you wish you had known going in rather than having to learn the hard way? I know there will be smartass remarks and that's great..but I'd also appreciate any information you have that you should share with a young person in your life as they consider this step. Thanks. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tluc_Q06n2w

09-25-2009, 02:38 PM	#8
Tempest Steeler Girl Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Heart of Steeler Nation Age: 36 Posts: 8,622 My Mood: Thanks: 2,137 Thanked 1,286 Times in 1,064 Posts	Hi Red! I am proud of your son for even considering service in this tumultuous time. That said, I am an Air Force girl. I went in a little late, I was 19 and had been on my own for awhile. So I didn't fall for too much Recruiter BS. I went in and said guarantee me a desk job, and I'll sign. He did and I got shipped off to Panama. It was great. Those four years taught me discipline, responsibility, and independence. I would have him think hard about what "kind" of military he wants to join, because all the branches are sooo different. I always tell people that the Air Force can feel like working for a corporation, you don't work a lot of overtime, you don't have the same kinds of exercise regiment or other stuff. It's like being a civilian in uniform most of the time. Especially if you work in an office. My other advice would be to take college classes while he's in. Then the classes are mostly free and the he's not using his money. And if he finishes a degree while he's enlisted, there's the possibility of becoming an Officer. I know someone from every branch that would be willing to talk to him. If you or he has any questions, email me and I'd get the answers for you. It's a HUGE step, but if you go into it with an educated opinion (as with most decisions) you and he will be happy with his ultimate choice. Good luck!! __________________ The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. ~ Oscar Wilde

09-25-2009, 02:57 PM	#10
NurseDude66 The clinic is open Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: In your head... Age: 43 Posts: 1,488 My Mood: Thanks: 93 Thanked 282 Times in 216 Posts	Hi Redcat, I am a 6 year navy vet. Currently, all services are offering advanced electronics training. which is one of only a few career paths that will serve a vet for life. Machinists, mechanics, electricians are a few of the other wise choices. I was a Missile systems tech, and it translated fairly well into civilian life. As far as risk reward, I used to give the nod to the air force, but that has changed since 1991. The airforce rotation into tent cities in the middle east if HORRIBLE. The least risk is currently in the navy, not to mention the superior travel. Also, the navy has the highest turnover so one can advance quicker. I was an e-6 in 5 years in he navy. Few programs in oher services can move you like that. as important as the service you choose is the job you choose. Will it translate into civilian life? ALso, the recruiter wont tell you that joining the reserves gives the recruit more leverage. here's an example: Standard 4 year recruit. goes to boot camp, goes to school, goes to work. If he hates it, he's stuck. He might get sent to a place he hates in a job he haes working for a junior officer he hates. reserve recruit: Goes to bootcamp, goes to school, goes home. THEN he can decide if he likes at. At that time, he can call his reserve officer and choose to go active for 2 years... most of the time, he will get to choose his duty station. he can negotiate for another school.... this can go on and on, negotiating for station, rank, and school. A regular recruit will never have this type of freedom. *** disclaimer. During war time, all best are off. It is possible for a reservist to get activated wihout ANY regard to their preferences. Currently, ONLY the navy is not activating recruits. The AF is activating very few, and the army, marines, and national guard are rotating reservist in and out... These are things your son should know, but noone will tell him. How old is he? What is his current income status? Can he get the career he wants at community college for free? If he has made less than 30k on his last tax return, he majority of his education will be covered under the current Pell grants. Ill watch the thread to see if I can help more __________________ If I'm not on yahoo, I'm probably out leaving surgical instruments in someone Last edited by NurseDude66; 09-25-2009 at 02:59 PM.

09-25-2009, 03:24 PM	#11
scoobertina ~seni sevi yorum~ Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: somewhere where he will be soon.. Age: 44 Posts: 30,676 My Mood: Thanks: 5,604 Thanked 4,118 Times in 2,871 Posts Blog Entries: 37	I spent 24 years in the Navy.. as a reserve.. 3 and 1/2 years of active duty.. I loved it.. I was an aviation hydraulic (structures) mechanic.. My son is a Marine.. he isn't sure he likes the Corps.. he doesn't see what he will do with his training other than shoot guns.. Have him pick something that he thinks he can use later in life.. I can go into any hydraulic shop and rebuild pumps, motors, valves, and cylinders... but I also have a job now (if I pass the training) as a sheet metal mechanic.. building airplanes.. great pay.. and because of my military experience... Many employers appreciate the military because of their dedication.. their loyalty.. etc... I loved it.. but it isn't for everyone... __________________ i know you have been hurt terribly, i know you deserve to be treated better than that, i know i love you so very much ~ OGP

09-25-2009, 05:13 PM	#19
redcat Forum Leader Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 53 Posts: 10,815 My Mood: Thanks: 1,500 Thanked 1,669 Times in 1,208 Posts Blog Entries: 8	Thank you all for the information you've provided. I've learned much, so far. As you think of things, I hope you'll come back and share them with me. He sees the recruiter mid-week, next week...and while I doubt he'll be making any decision that day, I'd like to know as much as I can asap. Of course, right? LOL And to each and every one of you who have served, are serving or have family who have or are serving now...thank you and God bless you! __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tluc_Q06n2w

09-25-2009, 12:54 PM	#2
titlicker Flirting God Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 42 Posts: 526 Thanks: 20 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	spent time twenty years ago. good experience but hated it. I think the better branch would be the AirForce. They have better schooling opportunities. 20/20 vision and he could apply to be a pilot.

09-25-2009, 01:09 PM	#4
titlicker Flirting God Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 42 Posts: 526 Thanks: 20 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	My time was spent im the Army. I think every man and woman should have to go through bootcamp whether they enlist or not. It teaches respect and discipline. The Air Force is actually a neat branch in the sense that you could fly planes, you can be in there special force group and get to see much of the world. The schools are on the caliber of technology, a wonderful opportunity in todays time. I believe they even have a medical field or the MP(Military Police). Both great jobs when you get out.

09-25-2009, 02:05 PM	#5
clyff27usmc Married And Flirting Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 27 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	I'm are Marine, I was commissioned after I graduated college in 05. I've been to combat twice, but thats why I joined. I don't recommend my branch of service unless thats something a person wants to do. The recruiter will sell what ever he has to to get a strike, such as GI Bill, sign on bonus etc. The bottom line is those things can never be the motivation why someone joins the military. Being an officer I recommend to everyone who ask me that they should go to college first, regardless if they want to be an officer or not. The reason is I have had many Marines tell me they had wished they had done so, but never once have any of my Marines who completed college say they had wished they had joined the Marines first. Thats my down and dirty two cents, but pleas feel free to ask me anything your son would like to know. I have worked with all branches and can speak a great deal about all of them. Also, if you would like to filter any info you get form the recruiter through me I would be willing to help.

09-26-2009, 08:17 AM	#22
jasper669 Curiousity's Boy Toy Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Age: 40 Posts: 981 My Mood: Thanks: 150 Thanked 206 Times in 195 Posts	Finding his way... Red, As you know I recently retired after serving over twenty-plus years. I enlisted, worked my way through the ranks, went to college different times and earned degrees, and served as an officer for over half of my career. Due to the types of skills/jobs I do/did, I worked with all of the branches of the military and some foreign military units. I do not write this to sound arrogant, only to provide a reference for my comments... The branch of service he selects depends on what he is interested in doing and his personality type. Air Force has great education, majority of stateside job locations, and as previously mentioned, the most like a business or corporation. For these reasons, many rate it as the best service but you had better like airplanes. They do many other things, but planes are the main thrust. The Navy has some of the most technical jobs in the services, look at their nuclear power jobs (officer and enlisted); however, you had better like to travel (in peace or war the Navy's OPTEMPO is nearly the same) and like water and travel. The Navy also has some very good education opportunities but difficult to utilize due to the deployment cycles. To be a Marine one needs the mind set; it is a special club. They are great group of motivated people. Know that you are a gun carrying shooter first, and what ever your occupation/skill is second. Skill/trade learning is not as good as the Air Force or Navy. The Army is tough and as the largest service and nature of their purpose has many different trades to choose from, so pick carefully. Most of the people I met and worked with from the Army were not enjoying their time, even though they had re-upped (very strange that they stayed in). Right now, they spend most of their time deployed overseas, but historically they are like the Air Force, mostly stateside. We have four services (five if you count the Coast Guard, which is worthy of consideration) because of the unique service they provide and the respective culture required. Each is unique and needed by our country, even though we tease the he!! out of each other (not to mention fight each other). Regarding enlisted or officer...I was both and both taught me invaluable lessons, how to lead and how to be led without bitterness. Regarding college, there are many paths to college. I was not focused and too wild (don't worry, I am quite tame now and no need to be afraid, lol) to go to college right out of high school; I would have wasted money I did not have and failed. This selection all goes back to your son's personality and what he is looking for in life. As a young man, he is trying to make his way through this life and it is a journey you will come in and out of sharing it with him, but a journey none the less that he will need to walk on his own. You are doing the right thing by trying to arm him with information. Recruiters will tell him anything he wants to hear to get him to sign. If they offer him something (specific job, etc.), make sure you get it in writing!!!! If they say they can't, then move on to another recruiter or ask to talk to the officer in charge of their recruiting area and go over the contract with him or her. Best of luck to him and your family Red!!!! __________________ Life is what you make it…now let’s make it something great… Last edited by jasper669; 09-26-2009 at 11:10 AM. Reason: learning to type fast and spell at the same time

09-27-2009, 09:55 PM	#24
redcat Forum Leader Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 53 Posts: 10,815 My Mood: Thanks: 1,500 Thanked 1,669 Times in 1,208 Posts Blog Entries: 8	He seems to have decided to go Army. Not sure he's even going to check into the other branches, but I gave him some of the information y'all posted. Hopefully he'll have enough of an open mind to go in there well informed. To each of you...thank you for taking your time to respond. This coming week will tell a bit more. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tluc_Q06n2w

09-28-2009, 09:24 AM	#25
OGP Flirting God Join Date: Jul 2009 Age: 44 Posts: 1,878 My Mood: Thanks: 456 Thanked 315 Times in 239 Posts	Sorry it took me so long to respond. I hope I am not to late. As others have said, the most important thing to consider is what your son wants out of his service. Each branch of the military has things to offer but it is up to your son to decide which one offers what he wants and needs most. In my humble opinion, unless he wants to deploy as a ground trooper the Army and Marine Corp are not the way to go right now. Both branches are in constant need of basic infantry and it is difficult to join in another capacity.f The Air Force and Navy both over a wider opportunity for specialty training that will be useful after service however the availability of specific "jobs" may be limited. Much also depends on how he scores on the ASVAB as all branches use the results of the test to qualify applicants for future training. Almost any civilian job has a military counterpart and he should have a very clear idea of what he wants before stepping foot in a recruiters office. I personally think he should speak to more than one branch. The job he wants may not be available in one but is in another. They also each have different signing bonuses (I know that is a factor for him) and different incentive programs. Like buying a car, he should know the offers available to him. To clear up any possible misunderstanding in wording that I saw earlier.... All newly entered military personnel are refereed to as recruits until they complete basic training. Active duty and reserves usually both attend the same basic training pipeline. __________________ I'd rather be hurt by the truth than appeased by a lie. Men are dogs!